@Dorby: tbh, I did consider both Asus Rog Flow X13 and G14 for my next laptop as well: the reason I am looking for my next laptop to be AMD is for GPU support under Linux (open source drivers and hopefully decent video acceleration for external 4k screen without pegging at least one of my cpu cores to 100% and turning fans to the max).  In case that still does not work out, I'd like an option of an external GPU dock with TB3.

I am worried about the keyboard, fan profiles and support under Linux.  Having no easy way to try them out (I'd be ordering them to non-EU Europe) simply means that I'd have to risk a lot in case I dislike them: there's no trivial way to sell them off in that case (in theory, you are obligated not to resell them in the first 2 years since importing, though I am sure nobody would check that).

So, I've bit the bullet on X1 Yoga for my kiddo (on sale in US), and I dislike the sharp metal construction and flimsy hinges.  But X1 Carbon is basically a known quantity.

@necovek:

Well if you can afford MBP, Asus ROG series has all of that.

- Ryzen CPU
- matte screen
- deep-travel keyboard
- rubbery / soft-touch exterior finish
- magnesium alloy build underneath
- rounded edges
- variety of ports
- above average reparability / expandability

I don't understand why having Ryzen U-series over Intel U-series is so important but if you prefer a thin/light ultrabook, it sounds like the X1 lineup is your best option given your criteria.

> Buy Lenovo Yoga 7 14 AMD or Thinkpad X13 Yoga AMD.

I don't think there's an X13 *Yoga* with AMD chips: only a regular (non-Yoga) X13.

The highest end portable Thinkpads that come with AMD are either X13 or T14* series, and a soon to be available Z13.

I am personally a long-time X1 Carbon user, and while I've tried a recent MacBook Pro 14 M1 Max (company provided), it has all the problems most other high end laptops have: glossy screen, crappy keyboard, and a palmrest that cuts into your hands.

Not even X1 Yoga G6 has that right, though it only errs on the palmrest side (but it has weak hinges too).

So I'd personally love it if Lenovo came up with a high-end Thinkpad X1 with durable soft-touch surfaces (metal design kills Z13 for me) using AMD CPUs. Having USB4/TB3 integrated would also be a requirement (Notebookcheck only mentioned one AMD laptop coming out with TB3-enabled USB4 ports: Corsair Voyager a1600).

Quote from: kek on May 18, 2022, 04:30:39

Quote from: DantePierttyr on May 17, 2022, 23:48:54
They cant. intel's paying too much for that...

More than Intel, it's the consequences of AMD deciding to be only a designer and not have their own fabs. They compete with others to put out their chips.

Meanwhile, Intel has moved on with their launches like nothing has happened. A bold example of how important is to own and manage your as most as possible of your production process.

Worse chips than AMD? It's up for debate, because as for much performance AMD might have, Intel has more features packed in, along with more stock available to buy now. And at the end of the day, customers will pick whats available (and works) and move on.

AMD has better chips with better power efficiency and security.
There's no doubt in that.
But yes, people who need something and don't wanting to wait usually have to go for the most widely available option. But we're discussing why amd is still not there in more laptops and totally absent from true flagship models like xps 13, despite being the superior option since Zen 2.

Quote from: domestoboto on May 18, 2022, 03:30:10

Quote from: Dorby on May 17, 2022, 23:37:56
Buy "Lenovo Yoga 7 14 AMD" with Ryzen 6000 CPU.

Discussion over. Vote with you wallet. Lenovo is not going to use AMD chips on X1 series as long as they get paid by Intel who sponsors laptop manufacturers. And they get paid a LOT.

IDK about this. The ThinkPad line is so much better than the Yoga line, for one (more robust security features and protocols, generally better durability, more IO). One's for corporate rollouts and the other's for rolling out a new fashion line or online newsletter.

Also, AMD has been slower than molasses with the rollout of Ryzen 6000. That's the BIGGEST problem as to why almost flagship laptops right now use Intel 12th. AMD focused on gaming laptops (with the 6xxxHX) for the first release, which almost no one who is in the market for a thin-and-light such as this ThinkPad will cross-shop or consider as an alternative; the 6000U laptops are still many months away.

And the few laptops that do have Ryzen 6000H right now still do not have a true 1:1 substitute for Thunderbolt 4; they don't even have USB 4 support, fgs! How can you have a "true flagship" model with AMD that's missing many critical features that are easily available with Intel chips?

Yup yup. AmD is indeed lacking a lot of 'critical' security vulnerabilities that intel has been providing for free.
Still Intel sells more 'secure' chips for professional laptops...

Quote from: kek on May 18, 2022, 04:30:39customers will pick whats available

Or nothing, like me during the last 2 years.

Quote from: DantePierttyr on May 17, 2022, 23:48:54
They cant. intel's paying too much for that...

More than Intel, it's the consequences of AMD deciding to be only a designer and not have their own fabs. They compete with others to put out their chips.

Meanwhile, Intel has moved on with their launches like nothing has happened. A bold example of how important is to own and manage your as most as possible of your production process.

Worse chips than AMD? It's up for debate, because as for much performance AMD might have, Intel has more features packed in, along with more stock available to buy now. And at the end of the day, customers will pick whats available (and works) and move on.

Quote from: Dorby on May 17, 2022, 23:37:56
Buy "Lenovo Yoga 7 14 AMD" with Ryzen 6000 CPU.

Discussion over. Vote with you wallet. Lenovo is not going to use AMD chips on X1 series as long as they get paid by Intel who sponsors laptop manufacturers. And they get paid a LOT.

IDK about this. The ThinkPad line is so much better than the Yoga line, for one (more robust security features and protocols, generally better durability, more IO). One's for corporate rollouts and the other's for rolling out a new fashion line or online newsletter.

Also, AMD has been slower than molasses with the rollout of Ryzen 6000. That's the BIGGEST problem as to why almost flagship laptops right now use Intel 12th. AMD focused on gaming laptops (with the 6xxxHX) for the first release, which almost no one who is in the market for a thin-and-light such as this ThinkPad will cross-shop or consider as an alternative; the 6000U laptops are still many months away.

And the few laptops that do have Ryzen 6000H right now still do not have a true 1:1 substitute for Thunderbolt 4; they don't even have USB 4 support, fgs! How can you have a "true flagship" model with AMD that's missing many critical features that are easily available with Intel chips?

They cant. intel's paying too much for that...

why not look thinkpad z ?😅

Buy Lenovo Yoga 7 14 AMD or Thinkpad X13 Yoga AMD.

Discussion over. Vote with you wallet. Signal to companies what YOU want to happen. If they see demand go up for Ryzen 2-in-1 Ultrabooks, they will take that demand into account in the future.

Lenovo is not going to suddenly switch to Ryzen chips on X1 series as most flagship devices were originally co-developed and sponsored by Intel.
e.g. HP Spectre, EliteBook 1000, Dell XPS, Latitude, Asus ZenBook Pro, Lenovo Ideapad 9, Thinkpad X1