If they support enemy, I will not support them.

Quote from: okidoki on April 08, 2022, 15:17:20
Why do non-US companies have to comply with US sanctions?

They don't. However, their American-based technology suppliers (e.g., Intel and AMD) certainly have to comply with US sanctions. And that is the whole issue, Intel or AMD could be forced to stop selling chips to any of these companies that so not comply with US sanctions -- to be clear, that would mean no Intel or AMD chip in *any* of their products regardless of *where* they are sold. Because, as you rightfully pointed out, Intel or AMD cannot tell them where they can (or cannot) sell their computers so ALL shipments would have to stop. Nobody wants that, so usually non-US companies are smart about this and don't evade US sanctions when they have US suppliers (even if they are not technically mandated to do so).

Except that ASUS pulled out a month ago, making this very irresponsible "journalism".

Tom's hardware com/news/asus-confirms-halt-of-russia-shipments

It's pretty simple. Boycotting companies that still support a country and its brutal scorched-earth policies is a no-brainer. You can say what you want about selling to anyone they feel like, but it 100% supports their economy and is blatant profiteering. Whatever countries have done in the past is NEVER an excuse not to act now. Over the past several thousand years disgusting acts of aggression have killed off entire populations. And for what? Clearly not a good thing. Why is it okay, then, to continue to help provide fuel for their animalistic behavior when we can actually put pressure on them. This world is NOT what it was 5000, 500, or even 50 years ago. There are now nearly 9 billion people and access to information and the ability to act has never been easier. So you can try to rationalize all you want, but understand that when this kind of brutality comes to your door (and it certainly could!), other people who clearly don't give a sh*t won't be looking out for you, either.

Quote from: VaruLV on April 08, 2022, 17:14:09
Not surprised by Lenovo doing it, but Asus and Acer, AFAIK, are Taiwanese companies, so they should know thing or two about aggressive and blood thirsty neighbors in the looks of China, so a bit surprising seeing them continuing doing business in nazi murderous ruSSia.

Wouldn't say China's on the same level as Russia here. China's not exactly known for committing mass murder / mass rape, bombing schools/hospitals, shooting innocent people dead right outside their homes, etc. They're much more civilised than that!

Russia, on the other hand, used those horrifying tactics long before Ukraine - look at Syria, for example.

To be totally fair, China's position on Taiwan has at least been both consistent and honest about their intentions - not to mention they've been trying for peaceful reunification for a good many years.

Also, the Nationalist party that currently runs Taiwan originally ruled all of China, before being unseated in the Chinese Civil War by the Communist Party. It's not unreasonable to say the PRC is justified in not liking them - they fought a bloody war against the ROC regime, and the ROC regime continues to exist in Taiwan.

Anyway, my point is that I wouldn't call the PRC particularly aggressive or bloodthirsty - all their actions make sense in proper historical context. In fact, I would go so far as to say they've been rather restrained in their actions so far. I don't believe for a second that China would do something so horrific as what Russia is doing in Ukraine. China actually has competent leadership - Russia does not.

I believe the primary reason China's playing both sides a bit here is because they want access to Russia's resources... in the long run, I think they want Russia to become essentially a vassal or client state. Which might actually be good for Russia, because I can see the Chinese pushing for better domestic policy and better leadership there once Putin's out of the picture.

Quote from: Crowhouse on April 09, 2022, 20:26:05
The Ukraine narrative bears all the hallmarks of another coordinated misinformation campaign. Those who are falling for it need to ask themselves why they should trust anything put out by our thoroughly corrupt corporate media given their consistent record of lying, distortion, and all-around treachery.

The evidence of the last several years makes it clear beyond any doubt that the American media are nothing but agents of fake news and misinformation.

You know it's not just American media right? You're positing a coordinated muliconglomerate international media conspiracy and asking people to take you seriously.

Quote from: okidoki on April 08, 2022, 15:17:20
Why do non-US companies have to comply with US sanctions?

If they do business in the US then they have to follow US rules. If the sanctions actually required them to they'd drop their business in that floundering mafia run gas station to stay in the US market in an instant.

Good to know, I'll be sticking to ethical manufacturers from now on.... Asus, Lenovo here I come. Not that I'd ever be buying those plastic pos Acer craps out every year anyway.

Quote from: okidoki on April 08, 2022, 15:17:20
Why do non-US companies have to comply with US sanctions?

They don't as there are no sanctions that would require this. As was said, pull-outs from retail in Russia have been voluntary. Essentially, companies imposing sanctions of their own. But, US could introduce such sanctions. Remember Huawei? They can ban their companies from doing business with companies that don't follow their rules. And they can ban such companies from doing business in their territory. They have got very long fingers. What would you choose, lose Russian market or lose US+EU+EFTA+UK? Keep Russian market or keep supplies from Intel, AMD and Qualcomm?

Frankly, we shouldn't be just reducing our reliance on Russia, we should accelerate our efforts related to China. What Russia is doing today is a preview of what China will do once it's good and ready. We need to be prepared for that conflict.

Good, proud to own several Asus laptops. US is the root of all wars and invasions. Take a look at Palestine, Yemen and many other countries. They have no right to tell other companies and countries what to do.

The Taiwanese are too clever to follow the rest of the West in sanctioning themselves...

Companies abroad should be free to sell to whom they wish to sell to. This blackmail crap and BS is a bit too much. Don't want to sell them then don't sell to them but don't dictate to others what they can and can't do. Double standards and hypocrisy here as US backs Israel from allowing companies from abroad from selling to Palestine but yet when they don't sell to Israel they pull the antisemite flag 🤔🧐 The bigotry,irony and hypocrisy

lenovo or another chinese supplier could sell a pc based on zhaoxin or loongArch and deepin OS.

Quote from: feenux on April 08, 2022, 18:07:20

Quote from: havefun on April 08, 2022, 00:15:07
""rogue" entities are expected to comply with the Biden administration sanctions sooner rather than later."
Biden&co is rogue entity instigating wars, coups and ruining world for decades. Why to comply with Biden instead of sanctions on USA

Correct. US imperialism has killed more civilians, brought more war/devastation, and exploited more people in the last 20 years than all of the other nations combined. Looking at the # of international military bases the US holds vs other countries pretty much confirms USian western colonialism 2.0 aks NATO and Ukraine nziss. Absolutely floored that the innocent Ukrainian people have to suffer for this.

Whattaboutism in it's glory.

Quote from: havefun on April 08, 2022, 00:15:07
""rogue" entities are expected to comply with the Biden administration sanctions sooner rather than later."
Biden&co is rogue entity instigating wars, coups and ruining world for decades. Why to comply with Biden instead of sanctions on USA

Correct. US imperialism has killed more civilians, brought more war/devastation, and exploited more people in the last 20 years than all of the other nations combined. Looking at the # of international military bases the US holds vs other countries pretty much confirms USian western colonialism 2.0 aks NATO and Ukraine nziss. Absolutely floored that the innocent Ukrainian people have to suffer for this.