@Denied, many thanks for your very valuable explanation!

Quote from: Wildfear on February 21, 2022, 17:41:58

Quote from: Denied on February 21, 2022, 10:53:18
Also, i don't get it why many bradns place 2 cooling fans at the GPU and one at the CPU, or one bigger at GPU and one smaller at CPU - can't they see that 100% of notebooks have thermal problems with their CPU's and not GPU's? So, they can cool a 120W GPU but not a 45W CPU..makes complete sense..but then again..let the CPU reach the threshold temps because their gonna help on the long rund and lifespawn of the notebook..i would never give a higher percentage than 60% to any brand that doesn't design an efficient, accesible cooling system in their notebooks

Didn't they just flip CPU / GPU this time ? As I see, the two fans part is on the CPU side where the RAM is ?

sorry to "disappoint" you but no! That's exactly the CPU fan on the right of the image and those other two (the big & smaller one all together are for the GPU)

Quote from: RobertJasiek on February 21, 2022, 11:03:20
How to recognise an efficient, well accessible cooling system?

pretty simple actually: as you can see, notebookcheck make stress tests and even real-world test with their reviewed notebooks. An efficient cooling system, in games such as The Witcher (but any games more or less) shouldn't pass the 80, max 85 degree (and even that's high)
- on the other side of the coin, accessible means that you can take down the coolers plate cover, so you can clean the fans and fins of the cooling system which is next to impossible to do if you cand take down that cover plate and as Whisper mentioned is stupid to take down the entire heatsink and repaste the notebook every 3 months just for cleaning the fans. Search the review of Acer-Nitro-5-AN515-44 for example on Notebookcheck and there you can see if you scroll a little till you reach the part where the notebook has the bottom cover down, the cooling fans are covered by plate covers that are bolted to them and they can be easily taken down..compared to msi where they're covered by heatpipes and can't.. and this is just one example

A 250nit screen on a $3000+ laptop is a stupid decision on MSI's part

Quote from: Denied on February 21, 2022, 10:53:18
Also, i don't get it why many bradns place 2 cooling fans at the GPU and one at the CPU, or one bigger at GPU and one smaller at CPU - can't they see that 100% of notebooks have thermal problems with their CPU's and not GPU's? So, they can cool a 120W GPU but not a 45W CPU..makes complete sense..but then again..let the CPU reach the threshold temps because their gonna help on the long rund and lifespawn of the notebook..i would never give a higher percentage than 60% to any brand that doesn't design an efficient, accesible cooling system in their notebooks

Didn't they just flip CPU / GPU this time ? As I see, the two fans part is on the CPU side where the RAM is ?

How to recognise an efficient, well accessible cooling system?

Completely agree with this comment and i've seen that many brands took this path - either by sticking heatpipes over the fan's plates, either by making them glued with plastic "bolts" to the rest of the fan's encasing (i'm looking at Asus here) - i can't understand this trend and nothing comes to mind excepting consumerism - limited fan acces -> limited cleaning -> higher temps/trottling/ limited lifespawn!
Also, i don't get it why many bradns place 2 cooling fans at the GPU and one at the CPU, or one bigger at GPU and one smaller at CPU - can't they see that 100% of notebooks have thermal problems with their CPU's and not GPU's? So, they can cool a 120W GPU but not a 45W CPU..makes complete sense..but then again..let the CPU reach the threshold temps because their gonna help on the long rund and lifespawn of the notebook..i would never give a higher percentage than 60% to any brand that doesn't design an efficient, accesible cooling system in their notebooks

The way Msi places the heatpipes in notebooks is garbage and it's reflected in thermals efficiency..i don't understand how mindless can be those engineers that make that kind of design..

Wrong idea for cooling system!  When comes time clean system you must take out also heatsinks to clean system after couple months. No is point after half year replace thermal paste. With good thermal paste even after 3 years no problems. Is many good laptops with same problem but nobody care or nobody clean. Preference given thinner laptops...