Quote from: _MT_ on May 17, 2021, 09:15:29

Quote from: Dorby on May 17, 2021, 01:42:04
Besides the people who buy the XPS 15 and 17 are prosumers who have seriously demanding workflow.

The type of people who buy MacBooks. Which doesn't make them workstations. Seriously, XPS is not the machine to buy, even for video editing. It can do the job. MacBook Air can do the job. But it's certainly not a "prosumer" machine. You buy them because they are cheap compared to real workstations and because they look better and are more convenient. It's not for their professional credentials. Not even the fact that OEMs save money by reusing the chassis is going to make them workstations.

Of course, the right angle is to discuss what is a workstation. But they offer none of the features that distinguished workstations. Unfortunately, many of those features are disappearing in general as proper business notebooks die out and are replaced with glorified consumer machines.

XPS 15 comes nowhere near the performance of a proper gaming laptop. It can perhaps compete with the low-end, but for a lot more money. For similar money, you can get a lot better machine if gaming is what you want.

I guess they're all interchangeable these days. People buy gaming laptops as workstations, and sometimes buy workstations for gaming.

Case in point, I'm typing on my HP Studio laptop that I use for both heavy gaming and number crunching, because I couldn't find a decently portable gaming laptop with a high-quality touchscreen.
And while it's a lot like the XPS 15, technically HP labels the Create/Studio in the "mobile workstation" class.

Hell, the new HP ZBook Studio G8 now even comes with Per-key RGB lighting!

Quote from: Dorby on May 17, 2021, 01:42:04
Besides the people who buy the XPS 15 and 17 are prosumers who have seriously demanding workflow.

The type of people who buy MacBooks. Which doesn't make them workstations. Seriously, XPS is not the machine to buy, even for video editing. It can do the job. MacBook Air can do the job. But it's certainly not a "prosumer" machine. You buy them because they are cheap compared to real workstations and because they look better and are more convenient. It's not for their professional credentials. Not even the fact that OEMs save money by reusing the chassis is going to make them workstations.

Of course, the right angle is to discuss what is a workstation. But they offer none of the features that distinguished workstations. Unfortunately, many of those features are disappearing in general as proper business notebooks die out and are replaced with glorified consumer machines.

XPS 15 comes nowhere near the performance of a proper gaming laptop. It can perhaps compete with the low-end, but for a lot more money. For similar money, you can get a lot better machine if gaming is what you want.

Quote from: _MT_ on May 16, 2021, 18:32:40

Quote from: Dorby on May 15, 2021, 17:38:50
No gaming laptop can fully substitute the mobile workstation lineups like the XPS until they get

XPS are multimedia machines, not workstations. IIRC, it used to be essentially their gaming brand before they acquired Alienware. It's their premium consumer offering.

Eh this category of laptops - XPS15, Envy15, X1E - used to be labeled "multimedia" but now with how powerful and efficient thin and light 15" laptops have become I would say it's practically the same thing.
Besides the people who buy the XPS 15 and 17 are prosumers who have seriously demanding workflow.

Dell sells XPS under their business website as fully customizable, and their actual "slim mobile workstations" use the exact same chassis with different name. And it looks like HP also merged their ZBook Create "multimedia" laptop with ZBook Studio "workstation" this year, offering both consumer and pro features all in the same chassis' configuration.

I would say multimedia is now more like MX450 / GTX 1650 max-q + U15 CPU laptops, whether it comes in 13, 15, or 17 inches. For instance, like Asus Zenbook 15.

Quote from: Dorby on May 15, 2021, 17:38:50
No gaming laptop can fully substitute the mobile workstation lineups like the XPS until they get

XPS are multimedia machines, not workstations. IIRC, it used to be essentially their gaming brand before they acquired Alienware. It's their premium consumer offering.

Quote from: Aditya R on May 15, 2021, 16:35:20
Looks like a perfect laptop hope the 3050ti options are cheap. Seems like it's a much better alternative to xps15(to people who prefer 16:10 and that awesome screen to body ratio). New intel chips seems to be promising too.

No gaming laptop can fully substitute the mobile workstation lineups like the XPS until they get

1. Brighter, more color accurate (white point and gamma wise) displays with the option for multi touch and stylus
2. Better premium support with Extended Warranty, ADP and OSR, and
3. Wider SKU selection and custom configuration order options

But yeah the M16 seems like a direct competitor and the closest thing to a productivity-focused alternative to the XPS line. I'm curious to see how the unplugged performance will be like on battery, hopefully it's better than Ryzen and 10th Gen.

Looks like a perfect laptop hope the 3050ti options are cheap. Seems like it's a much better alternative to xps15(to people who prefer 16:10 and that awesome screen to body ratio). New intel chips seems to be promising too.

Strange how it's limited to 3070, so they'll rather deal with the extra heat than go wider with 3080MQ...?

No AMD, not buying. I am really getting tired of this s***, laptops with good 16:10 screens and more than 32GB ram are Intel only. M16 is perfect for me except it's not AMD 5000 series. I refuse to but Intel machine

So this is basically Zephyrus G15 with 16:10 screen, Intel CPU (and Thunderbolt and 4th Gen PCIe), and embedded webcam. Curious how much higher it'll cost than G15.

Finally s17 and new cooling
I can't wait for reviews and benchmarks

Please asus don't disappoint me

how about ones with mini-led or oled screens. Hopefully with 120 hz refresh rate as well.

Man I don't say this often... ever? This device genuinely looks awesome and is refreshing to see.

16:10 qhd high dcip3, GOOD speakers, a non archaic processor, a sensible lift approach to aid thermals, not too heavy, and a normal keyboard layout with a large track pad.

Remains to be seen how it holds up in review, but at least manufacturers are starting to pay attention.