My workplace just ordered a X1 carbon gen 9 for me, but in EU the prices are significantly lower that the US prices which is very unusual. I guess lenovo US vs. lenovo EU decides the prices based on demand. Lenovo EU also communicates a 6+ weeks delivery time.

Quote from: Sorwis on March 04, 2021, 19:40:22

Quote from: Dorby on March 04, 2021, 11:56:55
16GB Memory and an standard High-Res Display for $3,200.
I don't get it. When did these become a standard for "premium"?
I've had both on my laptops since 2013, switched laptops almost yearly because I'm an enthusiast, and I could buy those "premium" laptops for as low as $1,200 back then.

As a Winodws user, I want what Apple MacBooks have: the class-leading speakers, good quality microphone and DAC, unmatched touchpad, factory-calibrated display with usable color-profiles, long battery life, 100% P3 gamut, a unified software and etc,
all. for. $999, and same features are universally present on their entire lineup without cutting corners noticeably.

If a Windows laptop had all that, be user-serviceable and repairable, while having the traditional 16:9, I'd still take it for twice the price at $2,000 despite the aspect ratio that every single comment is bitching about.

A Thinkpad? Has good keyboard but comes with lottery, and apparently, supposedly has a slightly more "durable" design, but no 3rd party testing evidence available online on any of the recent models from post-2010.

Yes, I prefer the Matte Black look, Boxy soft-touch material aesthetic a lot more than everything else, but $3,200 and 4 grand+ for "Titanium"?
Well good luck with that.

I think it's quite obvious that they are short on supply, on high demand and Lenovo is narrowly missing their advertised launch at February 2021. Whatever models they have right now are offered at a massive price premium for early adopters. I wouldn't be surprised that there are larger batches of laptops being sold to businesses so that the private customers are left with these options for the time being. The ThinkPad X1 Titanium Yoga has now come down $1200-1600 from its release price in one month. I don't expect these to be any different once the stocks improve. Anyway, specs of the revised X1s are promising so we'll just have to wait for proper reviews to see if these models will deliver.

Those are good points.
$1,200 for 16GB, i5, QHD X1 Yoga sounds reasonable, as it has neither an AMD or Nvidia, let alone both, and has no standout features that can justify any premium pricing beyond what the competition is offering.

As for the X1 Titanium, that will make an interesting review for sure, but probably not a good purchase for businesses.

Theres not a single media review yet of it, no YouTube samples sent out either, pcmag, etc..

And what happened to the 13x i? Theres been no news on that model that was supposed to launch in February also

Quote from: Dorby on March 04, 2021, 11:56:55
16GB Memory and an standard High-Res Display for $3,200.
I don't get it. When did these become a standard for "premium"?
I've had both on my laptops since 2013, switched laptops almost yearly because I'm an enthusiast, and I could buy those "premium" laptops for as low as $1,200 back then.

As a Winodws user, I want what Apple MacBooks have: the class-leading speakers, good quality microphone and DAC, unmatched touchpad, factory-calibrated display with usable color-profiles, long battery life, 100% P3 gamut, a unified software and etc,
all. for. $999, and same features are universally present on their entire lineup without cutting corners noticeably.

If a Windows laptop had all that, be user-serviceable and repairable, while having the traditional 16:9, I'd still take it for twice the price at $2,000 despite the aspect ratio that every single comment is bitching about.

A Thinkpad? Has good keyboard but comes with lottery, and apparently, supposedly has a slightly more "durable" design, but no 3rd party testing evidence available online on any of the recent models from post-2010.

Yes, I prefer the Matte Black look, Boxy soft-touch material aesthetic a lot more than everything else, but $3,200 and 4 grand+ for "Titanium"?
Well good luck with that.

I think it's quite obvious that they are short on supply, on high demand and Lenovo is narrowly missing their advertised launch at February 2021. Whatever models they have right now are offered at a massive price premium for early adopters. I wouldn't be surprised that there are larger batches of laptops being sold to businesses so that the private customers are left with these options for the time being. The ThinkPad X1 Titanium Yoga has now come down $1200-1600 from its release price in one month. I don't expect these to be any different once the stocks improve. Anyway, specs of the revised X1s are promising so we'll just have to wait for proper reviews to see if these models will deliver.

16GB Memory and an standard High-Res Display for $3,200.
I don't get it. When did these become a standard for "premium"?
I've had both on my laptops since 2013, switched laptops almost yearly because I'm an enthusiast, and I could buy those "premium" laptops for as low as $1,200 back then.

As a Winodws user, I want what Apple MacBooks have: the class-leading speakers, good quality microphone and DAC, unmatched touchpad, factory-calibrated display with usable color-profiles, long battery life, 100% P3 gamut, a unified software and etc,
all. for. $999, and same features are universally present on their entire lineup without cutting corners noticeably.

If a Windows laptop had all that, be user-serviceable and repairable, while having the traditional 16:9, I'd still take it for twice the price at $2,000 despite the aspect ratio that every single comment is bitching about.

A Thinkpad? Has good keyboard but comes with lottery, and apparently, supposedly has a slightly more "durable" design, but no 3rd party testing evidence available online on any of the recent models from post-2010.

Yes, I prefer the Matte Black look, Boxy soft-touch material aesthetic a lot more than everything else, but $3,200 and 4 grand+ for "Titanium"?
Well good luck with that.

I am almost tempted to buy it and excuse the lack of RJ45 due to the 16:10 display and because Thunderbolt 4 can now do 10 Gbps Ethernet via tunneling but if the RAM is soldered completely, then at least 32 GB RAM model should have been an option.

I'm hoping to see these reviewed before they get a hefty discount. Thermal  and noise performance with the 11th Gen i7 is of high interest given how variable it has been in various models you have tested. Lenovo has been marketing their new cooling system so I'd hope the 1185G7 being able to sustain higher loads than 1165G7 without throttling. The quality of the 3840 x 2400 screen is interesting too.