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Posted by Rboin From The Hood
 - November 20, 2020, 21:28:20
Formatting in this site and the fact that i can't edit comments sucks. Here's what i wanted to be displayed on my comment:

Oh boy...

Quote: "Firstly, Apple doesn't use Thunderbolt 4 on there new laptop. "Only" Thunderbolt 3 an hey were able to, because they worked together with Intel."

I specifically said:

Quote: "Since there have already been a lot of desktop Amd motherboards with TB3, and also since Apple did the same in their new MBP13"


clearly implying TB3. Based on your logic, Asrock also worked closely with Intel in order for them to correctly implement TB3 in their X570 mobos. Sure, desktop zen2 mobos are very different from laptop zen2 mobos but the idea still applies, Apple was able to do it while not raising their laptops' prices (a lot of other factors apply here), so why can't XMG make it? XMG, Schenker, Eluktronics, all of them are pretty much the same, and clearly from this article, all of them "worked with Intel" in order for them to make variants of this NUC M15. Why not work with Intel again for implementing tb3 or tb4 in zen2 laptop mobos? This was my initial (rhetorical) question. An XMG-rep answered me this question, it can be somewhat (indirectly in some areas) explained here: (not allowed to post links yet, copy paste this on google and click on the first link: Gaming notebooks in a tight spot: Ryzen 4000 APUs in bandwidth limit, Tiger Lake will probably come with only 4 cores in 2020 for the time being, and Ampere need more speed).
Posted by Rboin From The Hood
 - November 20, 2020, 21:24:35
Oh boy...

QuoteFirstly, Apple doesn't use Thunderbolt 4 on there new laptop. "Only" Thunderbolt 3 an hey were able to, because they worked together with Intel.

I specifically said:
QuoteSince there have already been a lot of desktop Amd motherboards with TB3, and also since Apple did the same in their new MBP13
clearly implying TB3. Based on your logic, Asrock also worked closely with Intel in order for them to correctly implement TB3 in their X570 mobos. Sure, desktop zen2 mobos are very different from laptop zen2 mobos but the idea still applies, Apple was able to do it while not raising their laptops' prices (a lot of other factors apply here), so why can't XMG make it? XMG, Schenker, Eluktronics, all of them are pretty much the same, and clearly from this article, all of them "worked with Intel" in order for them to make variants of this NUC M15. Why not work with Intel again for implementing tb3 or tb4 in zen2 laptop mobos? This was my initial (rhetorical) question. An XMG-rep answered me this question, it can be somewhat (indirectly in some areas) explained here: (not allowed to post links yet, copy paste this on google and click on the first link: Gaming notebooks in a tight spot: Ryzen 4000 APUs in bandwidth limit, Tiger Lake will probably come with only 4 cores in 2020 for the time being, and Ampere need more speed).
Posted by béla
 - November 20, 2020, 20:12:23
Quote from: Rboin From The Hood on November 20, 2020, 12:12:33
Quote from: XMG Community on November 20, 2020, 03:21:30
Quote from: ChicagoDemDave on November 19, 2020, 21:56:56I have to be honest, this would have been impressive at 1a 13"-14" size, but at the 15" size there is too much competition


// Tom

Who in their right mind at Intel decided to widen the keys on the right side of the keyboard? Why is the right ctrl, enter, right shift, backspace key wider than usual and not symmetrical with the left side keys of the keyboard? This shifts the rest of the keyboard a bit to the left. Just make those keys narrower, as a result, also make all function keys narrower.

Why is the touchpad small again? Did Intel really need to make that mesh over the keyboard that tall? How about you raise that closer to the hinge so that the keyboard will also move a bit up and as a result, there'll be more vertical space for a taller touchpad? How about making this existing touchpad also wider?

Anyway, since it looks like you're now working with a company that manufactures cnc-milled aluminum laptop bodies, how about you start planning a similar AMD-based laptop to this but with a 16:10 ~15" screen? It looks like Razer is using the same Sharp-made panels in their Razer Book 13 like Dell uses in their XPS 13 9300 & 9310, perhaps you can use the same UHD+ 15.6" panel that the XPS 15 9500 uses?
Since there have already been a lot of desktop Amd motherboards with TB3, and also since Apple did the same in their new MBP13, how about you try (or whoever makes your mobos) to make a amd laptop mobo with TB4 support? It doesn't look like a limitation anymore.

All of those specs above with a Ryzen 9 4900H at ~50W, perhaps 32GB ddr4 (or lpddr4x) dual channel ram, nvme pciegen4x4 ssd, maybe use the same 93Whr battery from Fusion 15 (if it fits this body, or just put a new >80Whr battery), that awesome 15.6" 16:10 screen (please no more 1080p or 1200P resolutions in these moderately big screens), bigger touchpad, perhaps a keyboard like this M15 but with a bit larger keys and no wider right-side keys, the same build quality as this M15, same rest of the ports (perhaps that USB-A should be USB 3.2 gen2x2 = 20GBps), the same or ~2mm thicker as this M15, and there you go, you have a winner. This category of laptops doesn't even need a dedicated gpu because there's a huge user-base that doesn't need a good gpu at all. Also, that black color would look awesome.


Oh boy...

Firstly, Apple doesn't use Thunderbolt 4 on there new laptop. "Only" Thunderbolt 3 an hey were able to, because they worked together with Intel.

I agree with you, we should have 16:10 15" displays but don't really need 4k. You can't really tell the difference, but it consumes way more power.

About the USB 2x2...USB Type-A ports supports max. 10 Gbps (previsously it was called USB 3.1 gen 2) so it's literally impossible to make a 20 or even 40 Gbps USB Type-A port.
Posted by xpclient
 - November 20, 2020, 13:52:43
No touchpad buttons, non-standard weird keys, no numpad, no sale. Nuc off Intel.
Posted by Rboin From The Hood
 - November 20, 2020, 12:12:33
Quote from: XMG Community on November 20, 2020, 03:21:30
Quote from: ChicagoDemDave on November 19, 2020, 21:56:56I have to be honest, this would have been impressive at 1a 13"-14" size, but at the 15" size there is too much competition


// Tom

Who in their right mind at Intel decided to widen the keys on the right side of the keyboard? Why is the right ctrl, enter, right shift, backspace key wider than usual and not symmetrical with the left side keys of the keyboard? This shifts the rest of the keyboard a bit to the left. Just make those keys narrower, as a result, also make all function keys narrower.

Why is the touchpad small again? Did Intel really need to make that mesh over the keyboard that tall? How about you raise that closer to the hinge so that the keyboard will also move a bit up and as a result, there'll be more vertical space for a taller touchpad? How about making this existing touchpad also wider?

Anyway, since it looks like you're now working with a company that manufactures cnc-milled aluminum laptop bodies, how about you start planning a similar AMD-based laptop to this but with a 16:10 ~15" screen? It looks like Razer is using the same Sharp-made panels in their Razer Book 13 like Dell uses in their XPS 13 9300 & 9310, perhaps you can use the same UHD+ 15.6" panel that the XPS 15 9500 uses?
Since there have already been a lot of desktop Amd motherboards with TB3, and also since Apple did the same in their new MBP13, how about you try (or whoever makes your mobos) to make a amd laptop mobo with TB4 support? It doesn't look like a limitation anymore.

All of those specs above with a Ryzen 9 4900H at ~50W, perhaps 32GB ddr4 (or lpddr4x) dual channel ram, nvme pciegen4x4 ssd, maybe use the same 93Whr battery from Fusion 15 (if it fits this body, or just put a new >80Whr battery), that awesome 15.6" 16:10 screen (please no more 1080p or 1200P resolutions in these moderately big screens), bigger touchpad, perhaps a keyboard like this M15 but with a bit larger keys and no wider right-side keys, the same build quality as this M15, same rest of the ports (perhaps that USB-A should be USB 3.2 gen2x2 = 20GBps), the same or ~2mm thicker as this M15, and there you go, you have a winner. This category of laptops doesn't even need a dedicated gpu because there's a huge user-base that doesn't need a good gpu at all. Also, that black color would look awesome.
Posted by XMG Community
 - November 20, 2020, 03:21:30
Quote from: ChicagoDemDave on November 19, 2020, 21:56:56I have to be honest, this would have been impressive at 1a 13"-14" size, but at the 15" size there is too much competition

Check with us again in ~3 months. 8)

Meanwhile, FAQ for Intel NUC M15.

// Tom
Posted by Kyrylo
 - November 19, 2020, 22:37:26
well finally 15 inch laptop with great battery life without numpad.... i like but if there will their new 8 core h-series cpu will be better )
Posted by ChicagoDemDave
 - November 19, 2020, 21:56:56
I have to be honest, this would have been impressive at 1a 13"-14" size, but at the 15" size there is too much competition from Dell, HP, Lenovo, ASUS, etc. with better specifications and bigger battery size.  It's neither revolutionary nor evolutionary.  I'm confused by this product. 
Posted by kek
 - November 19, 2020, 19:42:36
Well, I dont mind that it looks like a Macbook, except that this at least has a bigger battery, and useful ports.
Posted by dasdaddasda
 - November 19, 2020, 19:36:46
Well, since they will lose Apple contract, they might as well copy the Macbook and brand it as NUC.
Posted by Redaktion
 - November 19, 2020, 19:16:36
Intel has unveiled a new laptop in two colours that packs a 28 W Tiger Lake chipset. The machine, called the NUC M15, also has an aluminium chassis that is just 15 mm thick. Intel claims that the NUC M15 will last up to 16 hours between charges, too. The Intel NUC M15 should arrive as at least Eluktronics, Schenker, Maingear and XPG-branded machines.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-NUC-M15-A-Tiger-Lake-and-Evo-Ready-laptop-with-up-to-16-hours-of-quoted-battery-life.505213.0.html