Oh well :) I found somebody that was selling a new, sealed, RTX Titan for 1200, which is a $2500 card. Prices on the 2XXX series cards have plummeted with all this hype. This is going to be my main card until I upgrade systems. I want 4XXX series, Express 4, etc. By then we'll see a huge upgrade, and probably SSD speeds of 10,000+, rather than my little 3500mb/s with the 970 Pro.

Actually, Nvidia DID market the 3090 as "for professionals AND gamers." It is the cheap entry level into professional workloads without dropping money for crazy expensive Quadro series and that is the only reason its VRAM is so massive, and completely overkill for gaming.

However, the 3090's results have been disappointing based on leaks so far but it remains to be seen how it will do at launch. In addition, the primary difference may only truly appear at 8k which you all seem to be completely forgetting.

Silly little boys...

3090 like the titan before it are not videogame cards...doesn't the 24gb ram tip you off? Notice how the Tesla card has disappeared? Notice how the 3080 no longer has nvlink?

These are workstation cards....

Only thing that matters is rendering benchmarks, Bray, blender...

I think also what's forgotten is even if you just take 4k res bench numbers as the reason for buying; bottom line is the 3080 sold out in mere seconds.   Like typically Nvidia they release very limited stock very slowly so that bots can high jack the cards and inflate the price by thousands.   So people wanting to avoid ebay prices on the 3080 will find the price on the 3090 more bearable.  Whether or not it's a ripoff will depend on if you can get the card on launch, and whether or not you'll take advantage of 8k resolutions.

This is just rubbish the 3090 is an 8k gaming card with dlss having this card just 5% faster coming form the 3080 is just bs and wouldn't sell knowing its only a 5% faster there would be no point in making it when you could just over clock the 3080 for a 5 % performance increase  i believe the 3090 will dominate in a big way over the 3080 by at least another 30% and more also better for ray tracing in a big way 

Well, if they're pitching it as an "8k" gaming card, you need "8k" benchmarks. The difference can be much, much bigger at the higher resolution. I can easily imagine the standard 3080 being short on memory for that resolution. It's the same like we had with 1080 vs. 2160 ("4k").

Note that the test seems to be using an i9.  Perhaps with a Ryzen and pcie 4 it would show a bigger difference.

All of this is irrelevant for the 3090.  I wouldn't "defend" it and have no use for it, but they specifically have been marketing it as an "8K card".  Until they show 8K benchmarks (or maybe 4K benchmarks on the few games that still struggle on the 3080) what's the point?

Once the cards get optimization,  than the 3090 will lite up the 3080..

In fact, 2080ti is usually 30% faster than 2080.

No. The 2080ti was always at least 20% faster than a 2080 at everything.

Wasn't this similar, if not worse than the rtx2080 vs rtx2080Ti? The 2080ti cost like $500 more than rtx 2080 for just 10% extra performance in many games...typical nvidia pricing