Quote from: john562020 on June 05, 2020, 11:37:56

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Why do these ridiculous apologists keep popping up like a cockroach infestation?
>You buy a laptop because it scores 1500 points in Cinebench and later you learn that, that score is done in the first run and in a room temperature of 15 C
1. First run is the accepted industry norm for years if not decades, if you want to learn about throttling, go to review sites that test throttling.
Using PR photos that have clearly manipulated proportions compared to the actual product is not the norm and is inexcusable. Huawei (Honor) has also done this as recent as last year, if not this year, I don't remember the exact model but it was reported on this site. Aside from these two companies I can't recall another recent case of this. I know this is a frequent offence, but much of the significance stems from the status of the offender, with these two long-running businesses stooping as low as shady nameless workshops.
2. Room temperature is formally defined as 20-24°C, if the tested temperature is far off they'd better have a legible disclaimer in place or else it constitutes lying. If there's an actual case of passing 15°C off as "room temperature", it's lying.

Take a bath and use more often toilet paper if you see cockroachs everywhere.

Quote from: john562020 on June 05, 2020, 11:36:15

QuoteReally a 99% of people couldn't buy at least a cooling pad???
Really!  ::)
That's just dumb, sure the other two require a bit more knowledge but still pretty easy to do with 10 minutes of research because there are plenty of video guides for most laptops on how to do it.
Undervolting is not all blocked with all 10 gen Intel CPU' s due Plunervolt, some manufactures like MSI  have a BIOS feature to have Intel XTU work when enabled.
You used a broad brush to say all laptops don't deliver performance A+ when you are wrong, some due , you just have to do some homework and research which ones do.
Your points are ridiculous and  show a lot of ignorance .
Get a education or do some research before thinking of typing what you posted.

I LOVE MY CAPS,

You think that 100% of consumers will open up the laptop and replace a bad thermal paste? You are cherry picking from your own examples. This is beyond funny.

10 minutes of research? What is the question? Does the question exists or at least have a meaning? In case you where confused by those questions, it's not 10 minutes of research. Consumers don't even know what the meaning of "undervolting", the don't even know that this term exists, and you call it "10 minutes of research"?

Your arguments are not even arguments.

And even then, how many will open up a laptop to replace it's thermal paste?

Hold on on that CAPS LOCK key. It's the only way to give the impression that you know what you are talking about. Until someone goes beyond that visual effect of a line of text written with CAPS LOCK ON and does read what you write there.

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Why do these ridiculous apologists keep popping up like a cockroach infestation?
>You buy a laptop because it scores 1500 points in Cinebench and later you learn that, that score is done in the first run and in a room temperature of 15 C
1. First run is the accepted industry norm for years if not decades, if you want to learn about throttling, go to review sites that test throttling.
Using PR photos that have clearly manipulated proportions compared to the actual product is not the norm and is inexcusable. Huawei (Honor) has also done this as recent as last year, if not this year, I don't remember the exact model but it was reported on this site. Aside from these two companies I can't recall another recent case of this. I know this is a frequent offence, but much of the significance stems from the status of the offender, with these two long-running businesses stooping as low as shady nameless workshops.
2. Room temperature is formally defined as 20-24°C, if the tested temperature is far off they'd better have a legible disclaimer in place or else it constitutes lying. If there's an actual case of passing 15°C off as "room temperature", it's lying.

QuoteReally a 99% of people couldn't buy at least a cooling pad???
Really!  ::)
That's just dumb, sure the other two require a bit more knowledge but still pretty easy to do with 10 minutes of research because there are plenty of video guides for most laptops on how to do it.
Undervolting is not all blocked with all 10 gen Intel CPU' s due Plunervolt, some manufactures like MSI  have a BIOS feature to have Intel XTU work when enabled.
You used a broad brush to say all laptops don't deliver performance A+ when you are wrong, some due , you just have to do some homework and research which ones do.
Your points are ridiculous and  show a lot of ignorance .
Get a education or do some research before thinking of typing what you posted.

I LOVE MY CAPS,

Quote from: john362020 on June 03, 2020, 17:57:05

Quote from: William Dick Flake on June 03, 2020, 16:13:48

Quote from: Josef Stalin on June 03, 2020, 15:21:19
That's the dumbest hot take I've read in a while.
This is outright a lie and it's disturbing too see much more common in CHINA brand laptops than any other product.

Quote from: S.Yu on June 03, 2020, 16:27:24
I second that. That's the weakest excuse I've come across this year. None of those issues constitute a lie, which this one does, as long as it's ever been used to advertise this specific product, so yes, the "proper" brands are in a completely different league. OTOH, Huawei's lie about their Honor Smart Screen's speaker output back in December is in the exact same league.

You are both wrong. Yes what we see in the above pictures are lies in the hilarious scale. But he/she does have a point. You buy a laptop because it scores 1500 points in Cinebench and later you learn that, that score is done in the first run and in a room temperature of 15 C. In less controlled conditions and after the laptop has heat up from usage you only get 1200 points, for example. Why is this NOT a lie? We also see what OEMs are doing with Renoir laptops. They are not exactly having more respect for their own customers, than what Chuwi thinks for it's potential customers. Both Chuwi and US OEMs, in my opinion, believe that their customers are just ignora.nt fo.ols.

Quote from: john462020 on June 04, 2020, 16:00:22

Quote from: MOFO on June 03, 2020, 18:15:53
No they are 100% right .
You can work around throttling by undervolting , repasting,or even using a cooling pad, not the perfect answer but fixable.
YOU CANT CHANGE THE SHAPE OF A LAPTOP!

From ALL the above examples you wrote, 99% of consumers would be able to fix NOTHING. And even if they try, that will probably void warranty.

Undervolting is also blocked in modern laptops because of Intel's perfect security record and probably reasons that OEMs know and we don't (by undervolting your laptop you lower it's power consumption, probably making it better, probably postponing your next upgrade).

In any case, WHAT YOU WROTE IS NOT EVEN AN ARGUMENT. I mean, what kind of argument is this?

"I bought an expensive laptop from a very known US manufacturer who was promising me performance A+ but delivered performance A-. So the first thing i did with my brand new, ultra known super brand laptop, was to try to fix it"  :-X

Really? you call this an argument?  ;D

PS. I also have shift and caps lock keys in my keyboard  >:D

Quote from: MOFO on June 03, 2020, 18:15:53
No they are 100% right .
You can work around throttling by undervolting , repasting,or even using a cooling pad, not the perfect answer but fixable.
YOU CANT CHANGE THE SHAPE OF A LAPTOP!

Quote from: john362020 on June 03, 2020, 17:57:05

Quote from: William Dick Flake on June 03, 2020, 16:13:48

Quote from: Josef Stalin on June 03, 2020, 15:21:19
That's the dumbest hot take I've read in a while.
This is outright a lie and it's disturbing too see much more common in CHINA brand laptops than any other product.

Quote from: S.Yu on June 03, 2020, 16:27:24
I second that. That's the weakest excuse I've come across this year. None of those issues constitute a lie, which this one does, as long as it's ever been used to advertise this specific product, so yes, the "proper" brands are in a completely different league. OTOH, Huawei's lie about their Honor Smart Screen's speaker output back in December is in the exact same league.

You are both wrong. Yes what we see in the above pictures are lies in the hilarious scale. But he/she does have a point. You buy a laptop because it scores 1500 points in Cinebench and later you learn that, that score is done in the first run and in a room temperature of 15 C. In less controlled conditions and after the laptop has heat up from usage you only get 1200 points, for example. Why is this NOT a lie? We also see what OEMs are doing with Renoir laptops. They are not exactly having more respect for their own customers, than what Chuwi thinks for it's potential customers. Both Chuwi and US OEMs, in my opinion, believe that their customers are just ignora.nt fo.ols.

No they are 100% right .
You can work around throttling by undervolting , repasting,or even using a cooling pad, not the perfect answer but fixable.
YOU CANT CHANGE THE SHAPE OF A LAPTOP!

Quote from: William Dick Flake on June 03, 2020, 16:13:48

Quote from: Josef Stalin on June 03, 2020, 15:21:19
That's the dumbest hot take I've read in a while.
This is outright a lie and it's disturbing too see much more common in CHINA brand laptops than any other product.

Quote from: S.Yu on June 03, 2020, 16:27:24
I second that. That's the weakest excuse I've come across this year. None of those issues constitute a lie, which this one does, as long as it's ever been used to advertise this specific product, so yes, the "proper" brands are in a completely different league. OTOH, Huawei's lie about their Honor Smart Screen's speaker output back in December is in the exact same league.

You are both wrong. Yes what we see in the above pictures are lies in the hilarious scale. But he/she does have a point. You buy a laptop because it scores 1500 points in Cinebench and later you learn that, that score is done in the first run and in a room temperature of 15 C. In less controlled conditions and after the laptop has heat up from usage you only get 1200 points, for example. Why is this NOT a lie? We also see what OEMs are doing with Renoir laptops. They are not exactly having more respect for their own customers, than what Chuwi thinks for it's potential customers. Both Chuwi and US OEMs, in my opinion, believe that their customers are just ignora.nt fo.ols.