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Posted by Valantar
 - May 27, 2020, 10:39:34
Quote from: The Captain on May 26, 2020, 22:11:12
Quote from: systemBuilder on May 23, 2020, 10:32:56
I cannot fathom the stupidity of building an 8-core/16-thread laptop with only 8 GB of ram.  These days the minimum should be 1GB per thread in any laptop.  There is no indication on Lenovo's website that this laptop has a ram expansion slot; all the RAM is soldered on the motherboard.  Therefore, Lenovo is not selling a laptop, it's selling a brick.

The Ryzen 4700U is an 8C/8T processor. if you want 8C/16T you have to use the 4700H or HS processor or the new Ryzen Pro 4700. The U series they turned off multithreading to save power.
Uh, no. The 4700U is indeed 8c8t, but the 4800U is 8c16t, the 4600U is 6c12t, etc. The 4700U, 4500U (6c6t) and 4400U (4c4t) are SMT-less.
Posted by The Captain
 - May 26, 2020, 22:11:12
Quote from: systemBuilder on May 23, 2020, 10:32:56
I cannot fathom the stupidity of building an 8-core/16-thread laptop with only 8 GB of ram.  These days the minimum should be 1GB per thread in any laptop.  There is no indication on Lenovo's website that this laptop has a ram expansion slot; all the RAM is soldered on the motherboard.  Therefore, Lenovo is not selling a laptop, it's selling a brick.

The Ryzen 4700U is an 8C/8T processor. if you want 8C/16T you have to use the 4700H or HS processor or the new Ryzen Pro 4700. The U series they turned off multithreading to save power.
Posted by Mister Magoo
 - May 24, 2020, 01:03:47
So is it still to be determined if the U.S will get a 16GB/1TB SSD Ryzen 4800U version or is this the best it's going to get for U.S consumers? If so, what a terrible shortsighted decision by Lenovo.
Posted by Valantar
 - May 23, 2020, 21:03:54
Quote from: The Scott on May 23, 2020, 14:47:19
Quote from: systemBuilder on May 23, 2020, 10:32:56
I cannot fathom the stupidity of building an 8-core/16-thread laptop with only 8 GB of ram.  These days the minimum should be 1GB per thread in any laptop.  There is no indication on Lenovo's website that this laptop has a ram expansion slot; all the RAM is soldered on the motherboard.  Therefore, Lenovo is not selling a laptop, it's selling a brick.

The lack of RAM and the inability to upgrade past 8GB is a complete deal-breaker for me too.

It seems to me that Intel (and perhaps NVidia) has exerted a lot of pressure on OEMs to:
1. withdraw pre-announced AMD designs (IdeaPad 500, T14, etc.),
2. limit AMD designs (loss of TB3 [Lenovo], poor displays, limited RAM, unavailability of higher-end dedicated NVidia GPU options in the equivalent OEM model, etc),
3. delay AMD designs (AMD-based systems coming out months after updated Intel systems).

Am I reading too much into this? Why is no one reporting on this?
There's definitely a lot of weird stuff going on, but there's no way to tell what is causing it. Intel? Covid? Something else? Reporting on it would require sources able to comment on a cause for this after all, which would be near impossible to come by for far less sensitive stuff than this. And any reporter willing to editorialize on something like this without proper sourcing should be fired immediately and never trusted again.
Posted by The Scott
 - May 23, 2020, 14:47:19
Quote from: systemBuilder on May 23, 2020, 10:32:56
I cannot fathom the stupidity of building an 8-core/16-thread laptop with only 8 GB of ram.  These days the minimum should be 1GB per thread in any laptop.  There is no indication on Lenovo's website that this laptop has a ram expansion slot; all the RAM is soldered on the motherboard.  Therefore, Lenovo is not selling a laptop, it's selling a brick.

The lack of RAM and the inability to upgrade past 8GB is a complete deal-breaker for me too.

It seems to me that Intel (and perhaps NVidia) has exerted a lot of pressure on OEMs to:
1. withdraw pre-announced AMD designs (IdeaPad 500, T14, etc.),
2. limit AMD designs (loss of TB3 [Lenovo], poor displays, limited RAM, unavailability of higher-end dedicated NVidia GPU options in the equivalent OEM model, etc),
3. delay AMD designs (AMD-based systems coming out months after updated Intel systems).

Am I reading too much into this? Why is no one reporting on this?
Posted by Mister2
 - May 23, 2020, 14:33:21
Quote from: Lnon on May 22, 2020, 13:45:30
Sadly driver issues plenty with AMD

You want to talk about driver issues? My 2060 in my laptop can't show video on an external monitor. The video freezes, but audio keeps playing. It's a known issue that Nvidia has apparently ignored for a long time.  It's fine, so long as I use the built in display. Lol

My wife's laptop with a 2500u, plays fine on the same monitor. Anecdotal at best, but driver issues are everywhere... Not just AMD.
Posted by systemBuilder
 - May 23, 2020, 10:32:56
I cannot fathom the stupidity of building an 8-core/16-thread laptop with only 8 GB of ram.  These days the minimum should be 1GB per thread in any laptop.  There is no indication on Lenovo's website that this laptop has a ram expansion slot; all the RAM is soldered on the motherboard.  Therefore, Lenovo is not selling a laptop, it's selling a brick.
Posted by Valantar
 - May 23, 2020, 00:13:44
Quote from: A on May 22, 2020, 21:03:40
Quote from: Alessio on May 22, 2020, 18:24:36
Wasn't it supposed to have the 4800U? Lisa Su personally presented it at CES..

This is the "Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 7" which should not be confused with the  Yoga Slim 7. While they are technically the same laptop, and despite it being called yoga it isn't a 2-in-1. It was the Yoga Slim 7 with the 4800u.

I know confusing as hell. To be honest I don't understand laptop manufacturers at all, it's like they are on purpose trying to mess up their naming scheme.

The naming schemes have become so convoluted, we need special chart to keep track of all of them.
As the article states quite clearly, the same laptop has different branding in different regions, but it's still the same laptop. IdeaPad Slim 7 in the US, Yoga Slim 7 everywhere else. I entirely agree that this is idiotic though, and using the Yoga name on something that isn't convertible borders on misleading marketing (given that the ability to bend a lot is what the name alludes to in the first place...).
Posted by A
 - May 22, 2020, 21:03:40
Quote from: Alessio on May 22, 2020, 18:24:36
Wasn't it supposed to have the 4800U? Lisa Su personally presented it at CES..

This is the "Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 7" which should not be confused with the  Yoga Slim 7. While they are technically the same laptop, and despite it being called yoga it isn't a 2-in-1. It was the Yoga Slim 7 with the 4800u.

I know confusing as hell. To be honest I don't understand laptop manufacturers at all, it's like they are on purpose trying to mess up their naming scheme.

The naming schemes have become so convoluted, we need special chart to keep track of all of them.
Posted by MOFO
 - May 22, 2020, 21:00:11
Are the 8GB model dual channel?
Can't get any info on this particular model
Posted by Alessio
 - May 22, 2020, 18:24:36
Wasn't it supposed to have the 4800U? Lisa Su personally presented it at CES..
Posted by deksman2
 - May 22, 2020, 16:18:09
Quote from: Lnon on May 22, 2020, 13:45:30
Sadly driver issues plenty with AMD

Not really.
AMD fixed most of their mobile drivers over a year ago, and integrated their new releases with desktop drivers.

Some of the issues with black screens etc were reported for some desktop Navi gpu's (most notably of Asus variety which Asus themselves admitted they fudged up the cooling assembly on those GPU's).
While AMD DID technically acknowledge the issue of black-screens happening, those have also been part of the past for a while now and resolved mostly (AMD cannot fix OEM and user incompetence after all).
Posted by Valantar
 - May 22, 2020, 15:59:54
Good to see these finally show up, though it's now four months past the original february launch window. Really looking forward to some reviews, especially ones looking at iGPU gaming - I wonder how much of a difference the LPDDR4X can make.
Quote from: Lnon on May 22, 2020, 13:45:30
Sadly driver issues plenty with AMD
a) Most driver issues reported on in the media are regarding Navi. This is a Vega iGPU, based on the well established and known GCN architecture. As such, none of said issues apply.
b) The "AMD has driver issues" thing is blown entirely out of proportion. While there have absolutely been serious issues around the launch times of several Navi products (5700/-XT and 5600 XT particularly), the vast majority of those issues were fixed within weeks. At this point the list of known bugs for AMD GPU drivers is entirely comparable to the same list for Nvidia GPUs.

So, please stop spreading FUD.
Posted by Jose
 - May 22, 2020, 14:11:37
So sad that they removed the IdeaPad 500 series with the new AMD processor, the price was way better than this one.
Posted by Lnon
 - May 22, 2020, 13:45:30
Sadly driver issues plenty with AMD