Despite improvements in the Ryzen 4 series, it's a downgrade in many points.

1. Keyboard: Removed the numeric pads in 15 inch display and removed the Full RGB per key.
2. Removed the 2.5 entry for additional SSD/HDD
3. Removed mini display port
4. Removed 144Hz display option.

I don't need to mention they continue to use a garbage battery...

I am an Alpha owner (my model comes with a 512 GB NVMe instead 256 GB as pointed out in the comparison, but I also added a 480 GB SSD in the 2.5 SATA III) and doesn't make any sense to upgrade for Bravo series. I hope we gonna have a Charlie next year and they fix these issues.

Quote from: idk13 on April 21, 2020, 11:36:44
Price is way too expensive.

do you understand how high-end is renoir 8 cores?
show me comet lake laptop with 8 cores for 1k money. and keep in mind, comet is far worse in consumption.

Quote from: deksman2 on April 21, 2020, 13:01:42
Actually, AMD already launched both 5600M and 5700M.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications/graphics
no launch date for 5600m/5700m. amd. com says that, not me.

AMD already launched 5600M and 5700M.

Also, MSI messed up the cooling.
The CPU goes up to 95 degrees Celsius when both the CPU and GPU are fully stressed.
Don't know about the rest of you, but I need a reliable machine on the go for content creation and occasional gaming.

That said, 95 degrees C is not acceptable. In the long run, that kind of temperature could easily degrade other hw in the laptop.
This is shoddy cooling on MSI part (AMD hw is more than efficient enough).

Also, the anemic battery is just pathetic.
Too expensive and poorly executed.
Not going to spend my money on that (or on any other Intel/NV laptop  - sick of Intel/NV).

Quote from: william blake on April 21, 2020, 02:33:53

Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2020, 19:25:16
Glad to see them making all-AMD laptops, but where's the FX5600M option?

there is no such thing as 5600m, not launched yet.

Actually, AMD already launched both 5600M and 5700M.

Price is way too expensive.
I don't know, maybe screen is some 120Hz / 5ms with acceptable colors. It is fine.
But RX5000m is slightly below the 1060. I have ptsd flashbacks from my 1050Ti in 2018, anything below 1060 is just unacceptable.
Also there is no 4600H option for 17" model, MSI forced consumer to pay for 2 extra cores.
Also 51Wh battery.

Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2020, 19:25:16
Glad to see them making all-AMD laptops, but where's the FX5600M option?

there is no such thing as 5600m, not launched yet.

why not combo audio but headphones and microphone separately. any advantages?

Glad to see them making all-AMD laptops, but where's the FX5600M option?

I'd also really like to see these CPUs paired up in proper high end gaming laptop configurations, with RTX 2070s and 2080s.

previous alpha series had option of good quality 144hz screen. msi bravo its successor has trash screen. maybe in future their maybe upgraded version.