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Posted by: Rico Mico
« on: January 30, 2020, 15:58:32 »

Intel is selling old tech with minor updates for the price of new. The only thing they did was to play year after year with base and turbo clock, plus video decoding updates on the GPU side. When AMD launched ryzen then they added a few more cores and started updating the GPU, but notice that they just added more units (as the 10nm allow them on the same die size) and updated a little bit the engine.

All in all: ARM and the companies that use it, do more changes in 1 year than Intel on 5 (or more years); If it wasn't AMD, we would still have even older tech from Intel. So are the monopolies...

I am just waiting and wanting that Microsoft releases a Surface Pro with a Ryzen 4x00U CPU and the design from the X. Also my next generations from PC will get just AMD CPU. Too much rip off from Intel...
Posted by: BM
« on: January 30, 2020, 05:20:57 »

In 8 years I have only purchased CPU’s twice. The i5-3570k in 2012 and then the i7-8700k in 2019. I see no reason whatsoever to buy into this refresh garbage Intel keeps pushing. Until they hit the 7nm or smaller with performance improvements and graphical Improvements I will stick with what put I have or go Ryzen. There is no reason for them to be doing 14++++++, etc. So ridiculous and so stupid considering AMD is now on 7nm.
Posted by: S.Yu
« on: January 29, 2020, 22:19:51 »

While this article calls 14nm a dead horse, isn't it actually excessive miniaturization that will kill nit just a node, but the entire industry.??

Innovation has pretty much stagnated in terms of process refinement elsewhere and Intel is there only one seeking refinement while the rest of the bulk of semicon ppl are happy to abuse fitting more and more transistors...

Sadly Semiconductor business has become more of a software and engineering job than a physics, lithography agent it once was!!!

Tough days ahead if this goes on..
Except they didn't make much headway there either.
Loongson surprised me here as they managed exceptional IPC increases(IIRC +50% in a generation of 2-3 years) while staying on the TSMC 28nm node. The result is that they boast superior performance compared to other Chinese competitors licensing ARM on TSMC 12/16nm.
Posted by: Bradley P
« on: January 29, 2020, 18:43:54 »

Intel mainly focuses on servers most of the CPU that they give to general consumers are just cut down versions of there upcoming server CPUs for testing and that's where there main money comes from there in no rush to make much of a effort yet 😴
Posted by: Bazzio101
« on: January 29, 2020, 08:30:21 »

It's demand driven by China manufacture of cheap phones that are using dated CPU and ram + low mp cameras. Millions of them cheap online still with i3!
Posted by: Santosh
« on: January 29, 2020, 03:06:11 »

While this article calls 14nm a dead horse, isn't it actually excessive miniaturization that will kill nit just a node, but the entire industry.??

Innovation has pretty much stagnated in terms of process refinement elsewhere and Intel is there only one seeking refinement while the rest of the bulk of semicon ppl are happy to abuse fitting more and more transistors...

Sadly Semiconductor business has become more of a software and engineering job than a physics, lithography agent it once was!!!

Tough days ahead if this goes on..
Posted by: Pro at speculation
« on: January 28, 2020, 22:01:33 »

Intel might need 10 try to get 7nm right that is very long story 
Posted by: S.Yu
« on: January 28, 2020, 21:00:15 »

It's definitely not just that dead horse, from Skylake to Comet Lake, how much IPC gains have they managed each year on average? It's baffling how both their modem and their CPU development stagnated while Intel boasts some of the highest R&D investments in the world.
Posted by: Ssgsdhgzzfhczxvvvc
« on: January 28, 2020, 15:47:18 »

Why are you beating the bush in this is beyond me. They don't have anything new right now, so they refresh what they have. That is what OEM wants. Also, their CPUs, while being old, are still decent. Well, at least until the 4000 series from AMD comes.
Posted by: JayN
« on: January 28, 2020, 15:35:14 »

Another improvement appears to be the integration of wifi6 support in all the comet lake chips, or at least it was reported as under evaluation in other articles.   Perhaps we will also see backport of Willow Cove cores to 14nm when we get to Rocket Lake ... according to some rumors.

 
Posted by: Bob
« on: January 28, 2020, 14:51:18 »

My undervolted i5 8300H runs better, with a score of 2050 on Cinebench R20...
Posted by: splus
« on: January 28, 2020, 14:07:04 »

It's even more depressing to know that mobile CPUs are moving from 7nm to 5nm this year. At least Apple, and Qualcomm to follow next year.
Posted by: william blake
« on: January 28, 2020, 13:39:03 »

disagreed. 10nm is a dead horse too.
Posted by: Redaktion
« on: January 28, 2020, 12:04:57 »

2020 marks the sixth year of Intel's 14 nm process, and the fifth for its 14 nm H-series chips. The Core i5-10300H will be one of Intel's Comet Lake-H chips, and a new independent benchmark result for the quad-core chip underlines why Intel desperately needs to move on from 14 nm.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Core-i5-10300H-shows-that-Intel-keeps-flogging-the-dead-horse-that-is-its-14-nm-process.451769.0.html

 
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