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Posted by ilios
 - July 08, 2021, 20:12:34
I'm excactly in the same condition of xpclient. In 2021 they don't solved this type of injury?? Really?? My Lenovo p14s gen 2 go to very high temp when in "modern standby" and they can't fix it?
Posted by xpclient
 - June 03, 2021, 10:08:16
This is basically Devil's Standby and whichever clown worked on this idea at Microsoft should be fired. I am furious that my ASUS craptop doesn't have S3 has fallback even after installing rEFInd and the ACPI patcher module to disable S0ix and reinstate S3. S3 is just not implemented at the firmware level by ASUS and Microsoft is to blame for this Moron Standby s***
Posted by Jack Armstrong
 - February 02, 2020, 18:19:29
Does it his effect desktop PC's as well? I do a 'Power/Shutdown' or F4 to power down and 1/2 the time it's running again in the morning. I disabled WakeOnLAN to no avail, plus setting the Updates to only happen manually. Perplexing, and a waste of electricity.
Posted by Rohan Garg
 - January 31, 2020, 17:06:11
Well this nearly caused me a huge embarrassment at my college. So I decided to use hibernate. XPS 9570.
Posted by ziggy
 - January 29, 2020, 13:21:48
I've had this exact same issue with my X1C Gen 7. I've managed to bypass it by changing the standby method in the bios from the modern standby to Linux. It's not perfect, but it does stop the battery drain and heat issue.
Posted by kengsim
 - January 29, 2020, 02:29:31
I've encountered this before with my 3 month old ThinkPad T495s. The notebook was on standby and I put it into my backpack in the evening. When I took it out the next morning, it was super hot and battery was nearly fully discharged. It has happened twice and I now do a proper shutdown to make sure my backpack doesn't burst into flames or something. >:( >:( >:(
Posted by S.Yu
 - January 28, 2020, 20:52:57
Clear fail. It shouldn't consume that much on a mere update with the screen on.
Posted by splus
 - January 28, 2020, 17:34:30
All the blame goes to Microsoft and not the manufacturers and drivers.
A phone or an always connected tablet might need to be in a standby and receiving messages and phone calls, but NOT a laptop. When I close it it needs to suspend itself and consume as little power as possible. Just make it quick to resume.
The current Windows standby is simply designed badly. You CANNOT rely on drivers or apps to behave themselves! There will ALWAYS be some problem.
The OS needs to cut off everything, all the hardware and programs, and also itself, and go to sleep. Simple as that.

I own a new XPS laptop and because of this standby mess I always have to use hibernate and wait 10 sec for my laptop to resume from sleep. My 6 year old laptop needed 1 second to resume from sleep because it used a working S3 sleep.
Bad Microsoft design.
Posted by nikan
 - January 28, 2020, 12:49:38
You can add HP Envy x360 13-ar0802 to the list: I had to return it this month and get my money back after 1.5 months of struggling to figure out what's wrong together with HP Support. When I was leaving it closed and charging overnight, in the morning I couldn't pick it up, it was that hot. And it wouldn't start of course with temps like that so I'd need to wait and force-shutdown it first.

Shame we didn't find a solution, pretty much wasted time and awful experience.
Posted by Line Noise
 - January 28, 2020, 10:58:29
It may be a Microsoft driven change but the blame doesn't lay solely at their feet.

I run Linux on a Dell laptop and it has no S3 support in the BIOS at all! If I want to suspend it I need to run several commands to turn off WiFi and Bluetooth and put the CPU into low power mode before I close the lid.

The whole thing is a mess.
Posted by Puppy
 - January 28, 2020, 10:41:57
Quote from: Ludovico on January 28, 2020, 08:49:43
There are too many different laptops on windows, and Microsoft cannot provide the reliability for all of them.
They never intended so. Thanks to the HAL it is up to hw vendor to implement it correctly and that's where most of them fails because of outsourcing to clueless (but cheap) developers.
Posted by Puppy
 - January 28, 2020, 10:38:36
It has always been incapability of hw/driver vendors to implement the Connected Standby and later technologies correctly. No wonder when they outsourced it to cheap $1 developers ... That's the all issue.

Windows/PC world is already flexible enough running on almost any hardware thanks to the HAL (hardware abstraction layer) unlike s*** OSes like Android or closed systems like Apple. But it requires to have a basic skills of the driver developers companies are no longer willing to pay for.
Posted by Ludovico
 - January 28, 2020, 08:49:43
Microsoft should use the same Google Android methodology: provide a general release of the operating system and let the hardware companies to check and implement the new functionalities.
There are too many different laptops on windows, and Microsoft cannot provide the reliability for all of them.
Posted by undervolter0x0309
 - January 28, 2020, 08:17:29
Yikes,

all the apple fanboys claiming perfection when Apple has many bugs with less than 10 devices to support.

Still better to have the Windows model that overrated underperforming devices
Posted by MarkC
 - January 28, 2020, 08:01:49
Can't beat Apple when it comes to stability and reliability. Windows almost always has one problem after another. Fix one and another one pops up just like Ford cars