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Posted by Jose Santasalo
 - December 05, 2021, 22:03:49
Hi, and thx for the review. I am curios to know, how can the same panel have such variation in contrast B160QAN02.M in P16 is 998, and B160QAN02.M in P1 G4 is almost 40% higher. Can panel variation be so high across panels?
Posted by ksh_vi
 - December 02, 2021, 00:24:11
Is the second SSD slot really a 2280 slot ?
From looking at the image it looks like a 2242 might fit there, but not a 2280 ? Which will be very sad, because I preemptively ordered a 2280 nvme ssd. :/
Posted by Gordan
 - November 24, 2021, 22:46:07
Hey,
thanks for review!

I didn't get from the review comparison between P1 and X1extreme CPU on dual-channel... Is it bad for both of them or does X1extreme have better CPU performance?

If CPU is lower than expected for i7-11th, can you then recommend this laptop for programming/multi-threading?

Thanks!
Posted by psd0930
 - October 22, 2021, 05:08:21
Dear dorby

you are inccorect:
For the latest version of Zbook studio and fury (g8)

You can found the floowing :"he HP custom vapor chamber (Z VaporForce) is only available on configurations with NVIDIA RTXTM A3000 Laptop GPU or GeForce RTXTM 3060 GPU and higher GFX."
@ zbook studio g8 and zbook fury g8 introduction page
Quote from: Dorby on October 20, 2021, 06:18:59
Quote from: psd0930 on October 17, 2021, 01:48:03
Since HP zbook studio g8 also only has vapor chamber on higher GPU configuration.
Will  Zbook studio g8 has the same issue as well?
Could you test the HP zbook studio g8(without vapor chamber version) to see if it has the same issue?
This is incorrect. HP ZBook Studio since the original uses vapor-chamber cooling on all configurations including Quadro.
Even HP's consumer line 1300$ Envy 15 comes with vapor-chamber by default on its RTX 3050 base model SKU.

I've used the ZBook Studio laptop and while its surface temperatures aren't ideal, the performance you get on the HP is much better than on the X1 Extreme/P1.
Posted by Dorby
 - October 20, 2021, 06:18:59
Quote from: psd0930 on October 17, 2021, 01:48:03
Since HP zbook studio g8 also only has vapor chamber on higher GPU configuration.
Will  Zbook studio g8 has the same issue as well?
Could you test the HP zbook studio g8(without vapor chamber version) to see if it has the same issue?
Even HP's consumer line 1300$ Envy 15 comes with vapor-chamber by default on its RTX 3050 base model SKU.

I've used the ZBook Studio laptop and while its surface temperatures aren't ideal, the CPU performance you get on the HP is much better than on the X1 Extreme.

Edit: My bad, looks like T1000 has no vapor chamber cooling
Posted by psd0930
 - October 17, 2021, 01:48:03
Since HP zbook studio g8 also only has vapor chamber on higher GPU configuration.
Will  Zbook studio g8 has the same issue as well?
Could you test the HP zbook studio g8(without vapor chamber version) to see if it has the same issue?
Posted by LL
 - October 12, 2021, 16:19:05
The BMW27  Blender test done for CPU should also be done for the GPU/Optix.

Then compare it to a RTX3060 ... it will be clear that this card is inferior.
Posted by Andreas Osthoff
 - October 12, 2021, 15:42:00
A 65W charger does not charge the battery, even when the device is turned off.
Posted by LL
 - October 12, 2021, 13:28:59
CAD might need GPU for rendering.
One of recent developments in Architecture rendering is using Unreal engine. Also now in use for product design. That implies at least a 3060 preferably a 3070/3080.
Posted by Brad Collins
 - October 11, 2021, 05:57:51
Thank you for that link Dorby - I note he has a vapour chamber model and I'm surprised that the CPU power usage and in turn the performance isn't as high as some other models as I would have thought the vapor chamber would allow the CPU to use a lot of power when only it is under load and not the GPU.

Interesting his one still charged off 100w USB-C, I was wondering if that might not be a thing with the bigger graphics cards.  (as I mentioned in my earlier comment)

Just one question, was a 65w charger tried when the laptop was powered off? Or does that not work at all.

Posted by Dorby
 - October 10, 2021, 18:15:35
Just Josh channel on YT has a good explainer on this. The P1/X1E CPU alone draws 57 W on "combined sustained load" - much lower than most other laptops where the Intel 11th Gen CPU usually draws between constant 70-100 W when both CPU/GPU are utilized.

https://youtu.be/wzX-C6bLZfA?t=235

Credits to Josh's team for always testing power limits in detail.
Posted by LL
 - October 10, 2021, 16:39:29
@ksh

The problem is not AMD or Intel. It is the energy limitation that some chassis manufacturers put into their laptops.

An Intel i7-11800 can do 14000 in Cinebench R23 multi
A Ryzen 7 5800H can do 13200 in Cinebench R23 multi

But just a number of systems can do it : Lenovo Legion, some Alienware, some MSI, some Razer. Probably others but you need to check by model the power available for the CPU and also the GPU.
Posted by Andreas Osthoff
 - October 10, 2021, 12:25:46
Hi, I will test with dual-channel later, but I don't think this will impact the TDP behavior, since it is regulated by the cooling performance.
Posted by D
 - October 10, 2021, 11:13:02
Hey guys, great in depth review as always! Could you please re-test CPU performance with another ram stick running in dual channel ?
Posted by Peter P
 - October 10, 2021, 08:41:58
Bought one of these last week. Installed windows 11, used it for around 4 hours and now it refuses to power on.  :(

Apart from that the screen was great, sound was pretty good too.