Quote from: Quandary on March 26, 2026, 03:54:23

Quote from: banApple on March 25, 2026, 20:47:33vast majority of commercial businesses use Windows

What kind of boomer software stacks are these? Ones that still rely on win xp and floppy drives?

Businesses working on bleeding edge tech are all going cross platform because that is the future.

The vast majority of US Fortune 500 & S&P500 companies are standardized on Windows.

Quote from: Quandary on March 26, 2026, 03:54:23Which means being on *nix based OS is preferred.

No. Cross-platform means OS-agnostic. Which means all desktop OSes (typically Windows, macOS, and Linux), are supported by cross-platform apps.

Quote from: Quandary on March 26, 2026, 03:54:23Apple is the popular option for that reason.

"Popular" is in "cool," but US enterprise Windows deployments far outnumber corresponding Mac deployments. I know this from working in the Fortune 500 and S&P500 space since 2007.

Quote from: Quandary on March 26, 2026, 03:54:23Good hardware and long term support helps too.

Windows has much longer official hardware support than macOS. I have Windows 25H2 running on a Dell XPS 8500 from 2012 with full patching support. That's impossible (or at least far more difficult) on equivalent Mac hardware. But that doesn't matter much in enterprise as enterprise machines are leased and generally replaced every 4 or so years.

BTW yes, I also own a Mac and run at 3+ Linux distros.

Quote from: banApple on March 25, 2026, 20:47:33vast majority of commercial businesses use Windows

What kind of boomer software stacks are these? Ones that still rely on win xp and floppy drives?

Businesses working on bleeding edge tech are all going cross platform because that is the future. Which means being on *nix based OS is preferred.

Apple is the popular option for that reason. Good hardware and long term support helps too.

Quote from: banApple on March 25, 2026, 20:47:33Strix Point, Gorgon Point, Lunar Lake, or Panther Lake battery life tests and they smoke Apple silicon.

Lunar Lake & Panther Lake are good I'll admit. But not those AMD options. They suffer from poor idle / light load efficiency.

Quote from: banApple on March 25, 2026, 20:47:33comedian
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cope more tho.

nou? Literally seething here already.

Quote from: jdrch on March 25, 2026, 21:43:30MBPs straddle the workstation and creator divide

+1.

That's an odd comparison table. MBPs straddle the workstation and creator divide and should be compared against both. The table instead compares them to a ROG, which isn't a creator laptop, and no workstations.

Quote from: Randy Hill on March 25, 2026, 19:05:45

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 25, 2026, 01:28:31"Apple's MacBook Pro models are very good multimedia laptops"

Ok.

"and they are also very popular amongst content creators."

If you do not just want to express your first statement twice by meaning "very popular amongst multimedia content creators" but if you want to express "also very popular amongst content creators when using non-multimedia applications, where is the evidence for this, can't the same be said for x64 notebooks so is there any relevance for such a statement other than NBC's usual Apple PR?

Macs are dominant among creative professionals. Performance,  battery life, usability, and build quality are far better than any options in x64 notebooks.

false, false, false, false and false. vast majority of commercial businesses use Windows not macOS, this includes ALL creative professionals. Performance? honestly a toss up but absolutely NOT far better. battery life? lol don't make me laugh. go look at ANY Strix Point, Gorgon Point, Lunar Lake, or Panther Lake battery life tests and they smoke Apple silicon. apple lost that edge quickly after Intel and AMD started focusing on efficiency. usability? now I know you're a comedian because there has never been a reality where macOS was more usable than Linux or Windows, like ever. M-series macs have anemic software support and have to jankily emulatd nearly EVERYTHING and the thousands of forum and reddit posts about lag and stutter on M-series macs prove this. build quality is another indicator you are stuck in 2014 because in a world of MBPs, the Razors, Lenovo Yogas, Dell XPSs, Asus ROG Zephyrus and Zenbooks, MSIs, and handfuls of other high-end OEM offerings, this has been true for over a decade. cope more tho.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on March 25, 2026, 01:28:31"Apple's MacBook Pro models are very good multimedia laptops"

Ok.

"and they are also very popular amongst content creators."

If you do not just want to express your first statement twice by meaning "very popular amongst multimedia content creators" but if you want to express "also very popular amongst content creators when using non-multimedia applications, where is the evidence for this, can't the same be said for x64 notebooks so is there any relevance for such a statement other than NBC's usual Apple PR?

Macs are dominant among creative professionals. Performance,  battery life, usability, and build quality are far better than any options in x64 notebooks.

After all, most of these tests are CPU dependent! Sometimes the M5 Pro (20c-GPU) has similar or better results than the M5 Max (40c-GPU)

Do you guys plan to review MacBook Pro 14 with M5 Pro entry (15/16 cores)?

M4 Pro entry version was already louder than M3 Pro entry in relatively simple use like photo editing in Lightroom Classic. I guess M5 will be even louder. And that was without visible performance gain over the Air. I mean editing processes, not import or export.

"Apple's MacBook Pro models are very good multimedia laptops"

Ok.

"and they are also very popular amongst content creators."

If you do not just want to express your first statement twice by meaning "very popular amongst multimedia content creators" but if you want to express "also very popular amongst content creators when using non-multimedia applications, where is the evidence for this, can't the same be said for x64 notebooks so is there any relevance for such a statement other than NBC's usual Apple PR?

Quote from: dada_dave on March 25, 2026, 00:24:10As for this article, I'm not too familiar with Puget bench results in general, but what's going with the Lightroom Class Standard vs Extended tests? In the Extended test, all 3 M5 Max/Pro devices are roughly equivalent to each other, but in the Standard Test both Max SOCs are significantly lower than the Pro SOC, even the Max which is also in the 16" chassis. Any thoughts as to what is going on there? The M5 Pro is like >=20% better here and it can't be throttling, I would think, since even the 16" Max struggles.

Hmmmm ... you know that M5 Pro LR Class Standard score is 20% higher than the M5 Max 16" Standard score but is well inline with the LR Class Extended Scores from all the M5 Pro/Maxes, only 2.5% higher than those. Is it possible that you ran the Extended benchmark twice on the M5 Pro? Just an idea.

Quote from: Andreas Osthoff on March 12, 2026, 17:16:54Thanks for the note with the power draw, I will add them later in the other three reviews!

We will get the MacBook Pro 16 M5 Max tomorrow and I will start testing immediately.

Hi Andreas,

I know you're working on other articles and the bigger M5 Max review, but just as a reminder you also wanted to add CB R24 external monitor power data to the 13" and 15" Air and 16" M5 Pro articles.

As for this article, I'm not too familiar with Puget bench results in general, but what's going with the Lightroom Class Standard vs Extended tests? In the Extended test, all 3 M5 Max/Pro devices are roughly equivalent to each other, but in the Standard Test both Max SOCs are significantly lower than the Pro SOC, even the Max which is also in the 16" chassis. Any thoughts as to what is going on there? The M5 Pro is like >=20% better here and it can't be throttling, I would think, since even the 16" Max struggles.

Cheers,
David