I Understand your concern about the potential for e-waste with multiple phone releases. However, it's important to consider the long-term value proposition of Pixel devices, including features like seven years of OS and security updates, as well as their focus on recycled materials.

Samsung may need to address its practice of releasing a large number of different phones annually, some of which may not find a market.  Giving away phones that nobody wants can unfortunately lead to them ending up in the trash, which is not a sustainable approach.

Quote from: In agreement with author on Today at 12:58:48Id argue just get a something 10 years old that doesn't run android or iOS,

Then the e-waste is the phone you decide to throw out, which I agree it is. So if your phone works, don't buy this one, and then no e-waste is created.

Quote from: In agreement with author on Today at 12:58:48Literally most OEMs are giving 5+ years, quite a few expanding to 6-7 now. That's no longer a valid selling point.

That's nice! I'm not talking about selling points, I am talking about how the phone is viable for many years, which is good whether it is a google phone or an apple phone or a chinese phone.

If you hate Google that's cool by me but I think both you and Notebookcheck should be more responsible in what you write instead of using e-waste as jargon for not that special when it's a very real waste of natural resources that occurs in the industry and this kind of talk just white washes it as if it didn't matter, as if it was just specs.

Quote from: Daniel001 on Today at 11:56:46What does any of this have to do with e-waste, can we get back on topic

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I mean, okay:

"E-waste, or electronic waste, refers to any discarded, broken, or obsolete electrical or electronic device, including its components and subassemblies"

It's already out of date. You may argue it's good enough to do calls. Id argue just get a something 10 years old that doesn't run android or iOS, if you're not interested in specs then or a 5 year old used a android. Would be cheaper too. This does nothing. It brings nothing.

It's imagination tech power vr drivers are literally broken if you wanna do anything more than draw a window on your display and video playback.

Id say qualifies as discarded handed down Samsung silicon with barely any modification by Google. But at this point that would be too charitable. It's actually worse than Samsung, at least with exynos you get rDNA igpu.

Literally most OEMs are giving 5+ years, quite a few expanding to 6-7 now. That's no longer a valid selling point.

Another definition:

"Any item with a plug, cord, or battery that is no longer needed or functional."

What's your definition of e-waste?

I just can't see anyone arguing the case from any other side. You don't need to be a fanboi of anything, it's basic logic.

Did I forget the mention the efficiency is trash too compared to other SoCs? Meaning you'll be putting more stress on battery meaning it dies quicker, meaning more charge cycles and wear - which will result in faster replacement of battery or getting a new phone. Thereby producing even more e-waste from all that.

I guess you could make the point that that batteries are recyclable but they have to undergo certain processes which requires energy, something which is finite and limited on this planet which we shouldn't be wasting.

Should I go on or is that enough? :/ stop defending this piece of garbage.

rotfl, it appears this 'intense and broad discussion' includes A LOT FEWER participants that the number of nicks might suggest :)

Quote from: In agreement with author on Today at 10:26:44Daniel001, did you even bother reading the article properly?

He literally states he still uses a iPhone 13 pro.

He shares this frustration with apple too. The difference is that apple has marketshare so they can afford being complacent but Google don't with the pixel.

I will say marketshare is regional like in Japan apparently Pixel do very well, but even there iPhone still dominates and is number 1.

Having "fake" competition doesn't mean anything if all they do is do nothing and barely compete at all. Samsung just sits their blatantly copying apple. You cannot blame Chinese OEMs when they see another Asian OEM do the same and get away with it.

What does any of this have to do with e-waste, can we get back on topic

What an embarrassing opinion, either the author is completely out of touch or it's just a piece to rage bait.

Daniel001, did you even bother reading the article properly?

He literally states he still uses a iPhone 13 pro.

He shares this frustration with apple too. The difference is that apple has marketshare so they can afford being complacent but Google don't with the pixel.

I will say marketshare is regional like in Japan apparently Pixel do very well, but even there iPhone still dominates and is number 1.

Having "fake" competition doesn't mean anything if all they do is do nothing and barely compete at all. Samsung just sits their blatantly copying apple. You cannot blame Chinese OEMs when they see another Asian OEM do the same and get away with it.

Some butt hurt Google fans/bots here complaining about article and the message it conveys :D!
I totally agree with the author.
And its not Google, its, as he mentioned, other big players in the market that do this every year, again and again, while ever so slightly rising prices with zero benefits to customer.
Calling out manufacturers has been long overdue, glad someone is doing it.

maybe calling it e-waste is not really well thought through. Because as someone said, most will not be upgrading from 9A, but from older ones.
Nevertheless, and it's not just google at blame here, releasing something just so you can say it's "new", when it is in fact nothing new worthy of mention, is despicable. But we consumers are to blame.

Google is an awful hw designer, and they are a-holes for keeping basic functionality down, just because they can't innovate, so they have to keep some strategic reserve. Like, maybe next year (or the year after that?) they increase battery to 6000 (when competition will already be at 8000 or 10000) and call it an upgrade.

Quote from: sbinalla on Today at 02:52:01This is embarrassing opinion piece that I wouldn't expect from NotebookCheck.

Lmao, I was about to say I like this new contributor, Martin Filipov. It's been a long time since I agreed with any Checkmag article. Pretty much the majority of the posts they do I agree. ^_^

An extremely baffling opening angle that sunk my opinion of notebookcheck overnight. In a world where e-waste really matters,  calling a perfectly good phone with 7 years of OS and security updates e-waste simply because it's "not different enough" from last year is truly irresponsible, anti-consumer behavior and and only contributes negatively to the discussion.

How many  from a pixel of 9a to a 10a? I just jumped from a pixel 7 to an 11. That's over 4 years of changes and it's noticable.

Perhaps that's the market google intends. People who buy  lower cost phones aren't as interested in fancy features as replacing a phone they've probably had for years, either because it's broken or just getting too old and slow.

This is embarrassing opinion piece that I wouldn't expect from NotebookCheck.