Quote from: Fine for inferencing on Today at 11:44:44at this point I want AMD to update Strix Halo' iGPU to RDNA4.

Once Intel releases their Halo APU, AMD better have RDNA 5 at the minimum, because even RDNA 4 wasn't that big of a performance boost over RDNA 3! So AMD better be sweating bullets at this point.

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Quote from: opckieran on Today at 02:53:48At half the power too! Almost like it's an entirely different class of product...

Ops, I misunderstood. You meant the Panther Lake consumes half the power... yes.

No worries.

Theoretical RAM bandwidth of Strix Halo: 256 GB/s = 256-bit * 8000 MT/s / 1000 / 8.
So, AIDA64 Memory Read should read around 70-80% of that (192 GB/s), but it only reads 121832 MB/s. What's up with this?

The OLED PWM flicker is only at 240 Hz and 50% amplitude, not sure I'd buy that.

Also, if you are a gamer and care about real/quality upscaling, then I'm not sure I'd buy a RDNA3.5 iGPU at this point, because it doesn't have hardware ML based upscaling. RDNA4 does, but there are not going to be any RDNA4 based iGPUs this year. You could also wait for NVIDIA N1(X) APU, which is rumored to come out soon.

PS: An AM5 B850 mainstream desktop motherboard is 128-bit wide (aka dual-channel (2*64-bit per RAM slot)) and officially supports up to 256 GB RAM. This means, since the Strix Halo APU is 256-bit wide, that it could theoretically support twice the RAM (512 GB RAM). But since the highest currently available density is 64 GB per RAM stick (=1 GB per 1 bit), that when using those kind of memory densities, Stix Halo could still support 256 GB RAM. 128 GB RAM is kinda low for the really good LLMs or their quants, so many hope that there is going to be a Strix Halo higher RAM update.

PPS: If one wants a LENOVO with support of at least 128 GB RAM, then one would need a P16 Gen 1 (support for up to 128 GB RAM) (Gen 2 and 3 support even more, namely up to 192 GB RAM and 128 GB ECC RAM). And they are bigger and much heavier and the P16 Gen 1' memory bandwidth is also much slower (76.8 GB/s) vs that of Strix Halo (256 GB/s), because Strix Halo is 256-bit @ 8000 MT/s vs P16 Gen 1 is 128-bit @ 4800 MT/s.
If LENOVO would bring an AMD 256-bit APU into their P worstation class laptops that would be ice, tho at this point I want AMD to update Strix Halo' iGPU to RDNA4.

Quote from: opckieran on Today at 02:53:48At half the power too! Almost like it's an entirely different class of product...

Ops, I misunderstood. You meant the Panther Lake consumes half the power... yes.

Quote from: opckieran on Today at 02:53:48At half the power too! Almost like it's an entirely different class of product...

No, it is the full 395 Max+ with 8060s graphics. So it has the full power just less memory. But still too expensive...


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Quote from: Citizen_not_Consumer on Today at 00:25:16The same model with 32gb RAM is at 2799 euro. Still expensive.

But also Panther lake with top X9 388H and 32gb RAM is at 2560 euro with half the performance...

At half the power too! Almost like it's an entirely different class of product...

They're both too expensive, but at least there's the cheaper 358H, which, like 258V, will be cheaper and therefore significantly more popular than the 388H. There were probably 6-10 offerings with a 258V for every 1 offering with a 288V. I highly suspect a similar turnout with Panther Lake...

The same model with 32gb RAM is at 2799 euro. Still expensive.

But also Panther lake with top X9 388H and 32gb RAM is at 2560 euro with half the performance...

Strix Halo is good. It needs to be more affordable. This is true now more than ever thanks to the likes of Panther Lake...