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Quote from: Benjamin Herzig on Today at 15:27:03The predecessors of these machines were usually equipped with Arrow Lake U aka Meteor Lake Refresh - Panther Lake is a huge upgrade over those, whether it has the B390 or not.

Not really: notebookcheck.net/Intel-Panther-Lake-Core-Ultra-X9-388H-performance-analysis-Outpaces-Arrow-Lake-and-exceeds-Zen-5-in-efficiency.1212583.0.html
INTEL still needs to improve on their CPU node (they renamed 10nm to 7nm) and CPU arch. Some desktop CPU was remade on a superior TSMC node, but it didn't improve on any metrics, which shows that their CPU architecture also needs an improvement, not only their node.

Nothing in that article you linked disproves what I said. Arrow Lake U CPUs weren't even a part of the comparison in that article, for good reason - they can't compete.

Intel pulling another fast one on the consumer

Quote from: Benjamin Herzig on Today at 15:27:03The predecessors of these machines were usually equipped with Arrow Lake U aka Meteor Lake Refresh - Panther Lake is a huge upgrade over those, whether it has the B390 or not.

Not really: notebookcheck.net/Intel-Panther-Lake-Core-Ultra-X9-388H-performance-analysis-Outpaces-Arrow-Lake-and-exceeds-Zen-5-in-efficiency.1212583.0.html
INTEL still needs to improve on their CPU node (they renamed 10nm to 7nm) and CPU arch. Some desktop CPU was remade on a superior TSMC node, but it didn't improve on any metrics, which shows that their CPU architecture also needs an improvement, not only their node.

The predecessors of these machines were usually equipped with Arrow Lake U aka Meteor Lake Refresh - Panther Lake is a huge upgrade over those, whether it has the B390 or not.

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Quote from: unfortunately no B390 on Today at 11:53:17

QuoteIntel Core Ultra 5 325 to the Core Ultra 7 355.

Panther Lake' CPU cores didn't improve much or at all vs its predecessor and the only interesting thing about Panther Lake is its Arc B390 iGPU (12 Xe-cores), but unfortunately even the mentioned Ultra 7 355 only has 4 Xe-cores.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_Lake_(microprocessor)

The point of the CPU part in general is the Arrow Lake performance combined with Lunar Lake efficiency. there might not be an increase in raw performance, but who cares? Arrow Lake is already very strong. strong enough for any consumer, that's for sure. combine that with efficiency and you have a winning chip.

No obvious CPU power efficiency improvement over the predecessor (the B390 iGPU is a good enough upgrade for me, so I consider Panther Lake a success if the Arc B390 is the iGPU) (counting power limited power efficiency improvements is not fair if the predecessor wasn't power limited):
notebookcheck.net/Intel-Panther-Lake-Core-Ultra-X9-388H-performance-analysis-Outpaces-Arrow-Lake-and-exceeds-Zen-5-in-efficiency.1212583.0.html

Quote from: unfortunately no B390 on Today at 11:53:17

QuoteIntel Core Ultra 5 325 to the Core Ultra 7 355.

Panther Lake' CPU cores didn't improve much or at all vs its predecessor and the only interesting thing about Panther Lake is its Arc B390 iGPU (12 Xe-cores), but unfortunately even the mentioned Ultra 7 355 only has 4 Xe-cores.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_Lake_(microprocessor)

The point of the CPU part in general is the Arrow Lake performance combined with Lunar Lake efficiency. there might not be an increase in raw performance, but who cares? Arrow Lake is already very strong. strong enough for any consumer, that's for sure. combine that with efficiency and you have a winning chip.

QuoteIntel Core Ultra 5 325 to the Core Ultra 7 355.

Panther Lake' CPU cores didn't improve much or at all vs its predecessor and the only interesting thing about Panther Lake is its Arc B390 iGPU (12 Xe-cores), but unfortunately even the mentioned Ultra 7 355 only has 4 Xe-cores.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_Lake_(microprocessor)