Quote from: Terror Byte on February 05, 2026, 01:01:54Also, ultra-thin laptops will always suck for heat management.

This doesn't make sense (but I get what you mean). What if the SOC/APU is up to 10 Watt only, using TSMC N2P. If a phone can handle it (for short time), a 14" subnotebook should surely handle it and if not, make the APU 7 Watt. But maybe x86 is just not made for low power, high performance per Watt.

Quote from: dumb_oems on February 04, 2026, 18:28:34In the era of 3nm CPUs, the performance is fairly usable even around 10W for most users.

This - One would think so. Would may make a laptop lighter and slimmer, too.

Quote from: dumb_oems on February 04, 2026, 18:28:34Or even offer options such as disabling the fans in UEFI/vendor software and a corresponding reduction in PL1/PL2 targets.

Disabling the fans is not a good design. Either with fans or fanless.

Quote from: dumb_oems on February 04, 2026, 18:28:34However, OEMs are just too dumb to see the opportunity.

No problem, then they will continue losing market-share to Apple.

None with matte screen :/

What does "lap" mean in a laptop and how does this surface fit in laptop category? The device isn't even tabletop because the use cannot adjust the screen angle. I would rather work from Mid Pad 7 Pro or any iPad with magic keyboard, the office is there and some work is possible via terminal and ssh.

There are other cooling options other than just fans. Also comparing a phone that has a SoC running at 10-15W max, against a laptop running at 28-54W is ridiculous. We all know how poorly the Mac Book Air fanless M2 performed with massive throttling reducing performance way below the M1 when stressed.

It will be a cold day in hell I buy a fanless laptop unless it is using that air jet technology or a combo of things like vapour chamber/fan/air jets. Also, ultra-thin laptops will always suck for heat management.

"Maybe some users will prevent slightly faster benchmarks" should have been prefer, not prevent. cannot edit.

It is really sad that barring the Surface (small, possible ARM compat issues, expensive), Apple is the only vendor that understands how annoying fans are.

The fanlessness of the Air is a huge boon, the very intelligently set and conservative fan curves of the Pro prevent the pulsating mess and turning on at every web page refresh that is the norm in crappy Windows laptops.

Maybe some users will prevent slightly faster benchmarks, but let's be honest - there is plenty of room and money to be made in the Windows space by offering a fanless laptop for users that do not need top tier performance and are sensitive to fan noise. In the era of 3nm CPUs, the performance is fairly usable even around 10W for most users. Or even offer options such as disabling the fans in UEFI/vendor software and a corresponding reduction in PL1/PL2 targets. However, OEMs are just too dumb to see the opportunity.