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Posted by Consumers_Are_Citizens
 - Today at 18:59:21
Quote from: Citizen_not_Consumer on Today at 17:32:10But X9 388H needs 61.4 watts when playing games, so no, 22 watts is not what matters.

You do realize 65 watts is the absolute max this chip can draw right?

It draws 60+ watt when running Prime95+Furmark combined.

Obviously, that 61.4 watts is running on max profile and likely when connected to charger. (Although author could make it a bit more clear here)

But just like strix halo can get much of its performance at 55w and even scales well to down to 35w from its max 120w. So too can panther lake. It does not need the full wattage to perform well:

notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_/webp/Notebooks/Asus/ExpertBook_Ultra_B9406CAA/stresscyberbala-png-q82-w2560-h.webp

This from running Cyberpunk stress test on balanced profile. You see here, 25w.
Posted by Citizen_not_Consumer
 - Today at 17:32:10
Quote from: well on Today at 10:03:09
Quote from: M2026 on Yesterday at 20:36:50@all the stupid Mr. Bullyist and other "geniuses":

According to ThePhawx YT video, here are the numbers:

CPU/TDP        10W    15W    20W    28W    30W    35W    40W    45W
AI MAX 390    370    587    645    840    910    1005    1080    1140
AI MAX+ 395    510    674    796    1020    1075    1155    1228    1379
X9 388H        560    691    796    940    975    1025    1078    1120

So, the X9 388H is better than the 395 only up to ca 22W and better than the 390 only up to ca 38W. That is it...
But isn't this power envelope is what matters for reasonable lightweight and portable laptops.

But X9 388H needs 61.4 watts when playing games, so no, 22 watts is not what matters. At 61.4 395 Halo leaves it in the dust: notebookcheck.net/Asus-ExpertBook-Ultra-review-One-helluva-debut-for-Intel-Panther-Lake-X7.1209366.0.html#c15434979
Posted by well
 - Today at 10:03:09
Quote from: M2026 on Yesterday at 20:36:50@all the stupid trumpist and other "geniuses":

According to ThePhawx YT video, here are the numbers:

CPU/TDP        10W    15W    20W    28W    30W    35W    40W    45W
AI MAX 390    370    587    645    840    910    1005    1080    1140
AI MAX+ 395    510    674    796    1020    1075    1155    1228    1379
X9 388H        560    691    796    940    975    1025    1078    1120

So, the X9 388H is better than the 395 only up to ca 22W and better than the 390 only up to ca 38W. That is it...
But isn't this power envelope is what matters for reasonable lightweight and portable laptops.
Posted by RobertJasiek
 - Today at 07:16:36
Ok, but just speak of US citizens.
Posted by opckieran
 - Today at 05:46:26
Quote from: M2026 on Yesterday at 21:09:18@opckieran
,,Nobody said anything about Intel falling because of foreigners."
Of course not, but I thought (naively) that you can get the point – it was about whether foreigners are responsible for "everything bad" in the USA – including Intel's results...
You didn't get it, but that's okay...


,,And if you want to talk about being able to wipe your a**, the non-western world has a much bigger problem with that. Public sewer/sanitation doesn't even exist as a concept to many of them!"
That wasn't about sewer/sanitation at all. loool

To make you understand, I tried to point out that people who are bothered by foreigners would be completely done without them - figuratively speaking, "you can't even wipe your ... without them"...

PS: who do you think is a "true American"? You? Then you must be a native American whose origins date back to before 1492!
(as a "true American" I hope you at least know why I mentioned 1492 :)))

What the heck are you talking about?? "Wiping my a**" has literally everything to do with sewer and sanitization loool unless you're gross and just drop it wherever (again, far more common outsite the West).


And since clearly facts are a real challenge for you:

An American is someone who is a descendent of the Anglo/Western European settlers who eventually founded and constituted the internationally diplomatically recognized power known as the United States of America (Hence, "American"). It does not pertain to any peoples of any other groups or nations which may have been here beforehand; those people did not even refer to themselves as Americans! They had their own cultures and customs. So, implying them to be "true Americans" is just an inaccurate, cope thing to do. Typical of TDS.

Please tell me you didn't pay too much for your Learing Center Diploma 🤣🤣🤣
Posted by Worgarthe
 - Yesterday at 21:47:16
Quote from: M2026 on Yesterday at 21:33:50"There is no "Intel's iGPU", there is only TSMC's iGPU glued to Intel."
The point of this sentence was that Intel doesn't make its own iGPU either...not that I'm interested in iGPUs...

Some people here must be members of the no-thinking sect,
👇
Quote from: Worgarthe on Yesterday at 13:42:02
Quote from: M2026 on Yesterday at 13:33:09There is no "Intel's iGPU", there is only TSMC's iGPU glued to Intel. loool
So you just described AMD, Apple and Nvidia. Nothing but TSMC's dGPUs and iGPUs. Coping level pro.
Posted by M2026
 - Yesterday at 21:33:50
"There is no "Intel's iGPU", there is only TSMC's iGPU glued to Intel."
The point of this sentence was that Intel doesn't make its own iGPU either...not that I'm interested in iGPUs...

Some people here must be members of the no-thinking sect, because they are unable to understand even a hint of irony.

I don't know why, but when I reply to Trump fanatics here (or on other forums), an unnamed song by an unnamed American band from 2004 comes to mind, which deals with the situation caused by the education system that was "destroyed by foreigners" :)))
Posted by CLB
 - Yesterday at 21:27:27
Quote from: M2026 on Yesterday at 20:36:50better than the 390 only up to ca 38W.

This makes sense when you consider out of the 16 panther lake cores, 4 are ultra low power. So they don't really count for performance tasks or as performance cores.

So for really a 12 core to compete another 12 core up to 38w. I would say that's reasonable.

It also shows just how much Intel's e cores have improved. They're almost zen 5 like in performance or equal to intel's own P cores.

The only thing that's missing is avx-512 which will be coming in Nova Lake.
Posted by M2026
 - Yesterday at 21:09:18
@opckieran
,,Nobody said anything about Intel falling because of foreigners."
Of course not, but I thought (naively) that you can get the point – it was about whether foreigners are responsible for "everything bad" in the USA – including Intel's results...
You didn't get it, but that's okay...


,,And if you want to talk about being able to wipe your a**, the non-western world has a much bigger problem with that. Public sewer/sanitation doesn't even exist as a concept to many of them!"
That wasn't about sewer/sanitation at all. loool

To make you understand, I tried to point out that people who are bothered by foreigners would be completely done without them - figuratively speaking, "you can't even wipe your ... without them"...

PS: who do you think is a "true American"? You? Then you must be a native American whose origins date back to before 1492!
(as a "true American" I hope you at least know why I mentioned 1492 :)))
Posted by Worgarthe
 - Yesterday at 21:05:49
Quote from: M2026 on Yesterday at 20:16:37Indeed, I must admit that you are a "genius" too, because I have never written about the iGPU and never will,

👇

Quote from: M2026 on Yesterday at 13:33:09There is no "Intel's iGPU", there is only TSMC's iGPU glued to Intel.

Once again:

Quote from: M2026 on Yesterday at 13:33:09There is no "Intel's iGPU", there is only TSMC's iGPU glued to Intel.
Posted by M2026
 - Yesterday at 20:36:50
@all the stupid trumpist and other "geniuses":

According to ThePhawx YT video, here are the numbers:

CPU/TDP      10W   15W   20W   28W   30W   35W   40W   45W
AI MAX 390   370   587   645   840   910   1005   1080   1140
AI MAX+ 395   510   674   796   1020   1075   1155   1228   1379
X9 388H      560   691   796   940   975   1025   1078   1120

So, the X9 388H is better than the 395 only up to ca 22W and better than the 390 only up to ca 38W. That is it...
Posted by opckieran
 - Yesterday at 20:34:50
Quote from: M2026 on Yesterday at 19:13:32@Worgarthe
,,Sure, not understanding yourself is your starting point, but that's a whole different story..."
I hope your "deep thoughts" don't burden you too much...


@Citizen_not_Consumer
Your post #20 = bingo! (but don't tell the fanboys, especially the point 2. lol)


@opckieran
,,You honestly believe customers make their final purchasing decision based on the *manufacturing node* as opposed to performance and efficiency??"
,,Real customers care about the final product."

Bingo Einstein! :)))
EXACTLY, nobody except of the stupid fanboys care about the manufacturing – only performance and efficiency is what matters, BINGO!!!

So, who, except of you and the other fanboy(s) will buy the Panther Lake, if it can barely beat the 370??? 3% is what matters to somebody, who is looking for a new laptop, really??? NOOOOOOO!
I can buy a slightly used powerfull laptop for +/- the same price, same performance, BUT much better NVIDIA GPU!

,,Putting our education in the hands of foreigners... All that accomplished was us getting scammed to high heaven! I didn't vote for this woke-mandated nonsense!"

Oh, trumpist on the RADAR, sorry I mean "genius" lol
Are you trying to tell me that Intel also fell because of foreigners? That "fantastic" Intel, which only got into laptops and workstations thanks to bribery, not competitiveness - foreigners were also to blame for that???
Can't the decline of the USA be blamed on those AMERICANS who exported production to China (or other Asian countries), thus destroying the industry in the USA, or are foreigners also to blame for that?

Nothing can be further from the truth, because you can't even wipe your a** in the US without foreigners, you "genius"!


Ok since you struggle with reading comprehension (clearly a Learing Center graduate):

No sh*t you can buy a laptop with an nVidia dGPU. Nobody said you couldn't do that! What a "genius" observation of yours! Sure, it'll be heavier, thicker, use more power, have half the battery life, and be VRAM limited for AI applications. Have fun with that! If you want to throw a tantrum since Intel produced a good product, go right ahead.


Nobody said anything about Intel falling because of foreigners. Just you (again, terrible reading comprehension lol). And if you want to talk about being able to wipe your a**, the non-western world has a much bigger problem with that. Public sewer/sanitation doesn't even exist as a concept to many of them! Some "genius" you turned out to be. Looks like you need remedial Learing sessions... We need to fix that "genius" heuristic of yours!
Posted by M2026
 - Yesterday at 20:16:37
@w
""Impressive" IQ level, I'll admit that."
Indeed, I must admit that you are a "genius" too, because I have never written about the iGPU and never will, because for me and many others who don't just use MS Office or play solitaire in work, it's not important.
The CPU is ESSENTIAL, but none of you Intel fanboys mention it, because the performance compared to the Series 2 is not worth mentioning (at least according to the tests available so far) :)))
Posted by Worgarthe
 - Yesterday at 20:03:17
Quote from: M2026 on Yesterday at 19:13:32Once again – is really 28/45W TDP in case of Intel LESS, than 28/45W TDP in case of AMD, really?
You mean, something like 5GHz in case of Intel is MORE, than 5GHz in case of AMD?
Or 100km/h in case of Ferrari is more, than 100km/h in case of AUDI? Loool
"Impressive" IQ level, I'll admit that. If an iGPU at 30W is faster than another iGPU at 30W, and that makes it difficult for you to understand it... Yeah, just "impressive".
Posted by M2026
 - Yesterday at 19:13:32
@Worgarthe
,,Sure, not understanding yourself is your starting point, but that's a whole different story..."
I hope your "deep thoughts" don't burden you too much...


@Citizen_not_Consumer
Your post #20 = bingo! (but don't tell the fanboys, especially the point 2. lol)


@opckieran
,,You honestly believe customers make their final purchasing decision based on the *manufacturing node* as opposed to performance and efficiency??"
,,Real customers care about the final product."

Bingo Einstein! :)))
EXACTLY, nobody except of the stupid fanboys care about the manufacturing – only performance and efficiency is what matters, BINGO!!!

So, who, except of you and the other fanboy(s) will buy the Panther Lake, if it can barely beat the 370??? 3% is what matters to somebody, who is looking for a new laptop, really??? NOOOOOOO!
I can buy a slightly used powerfull laptop for +/- the same price, same performance, BUT much better NVIDIA GPU!

,,Putting our education in the hands of foreigners... All that accomplished was us getting scammed to high heaven! I didn't vote for this woke-mandated nonsense!"

Oh, trumpist on the RADAR, sorry I mean "genius" lol
Are you trying to tell me that Intel also fell because of foreigners? That "fantastic" Intel, which only got into laptops and workstations thanks to bribery, not competitiveness - foreigners were also to blame for that???
Can't the decline of the USA be blamed on those AMERICANS who exported production to China (or other Asian countries), thus destroying the industry in the USA, or are foreigners also to blame for that?

Nothing can be further from the truth, because you can't even wipe your a** in the US without foreigners, you "genius"!


@Consumers_Are_Citizens
Once again – is really 28/45W TDP in case of Intel LESS, than 28/45W TDP in case of AMD, really?
You mean, something like 5GHz in case of Intel is MORE, than 5GHz in case of AMD?
Or 100km/h in case of Ferrari is more, than 100km/h in case of AUDI? Loool

"From here we can infer it's a noticeable step up in efficiency without even diving into the numbers."
Something like benchmark without numbers? OK :)))