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Posted by Consumers_Are_Citizens
 - Today at 15:49:22
M2026, it's really not that deep. Every single reviewer who has tested this chip says they were impressed with noise and thermals compared to AMD. From here we can infer it's a noticeable step up in efficiency without even diving into the numbers.

But if you insist on stats and graphs, I already stated earlier ThePhawx made a 1 hour video testing panther lake vs strix halo, at low tdps (15W and 30W). At 15W in the majority of cases it's beating strix halo. At 30W is very similar or almost as fast as strix halo.

Mind you, Phawx has previously been more of an AMD fan in recent years and was previously not enthusiastic at all for Intel's panther lake when asked. He is literally the definitive authority when it comes to amd handheld tdp efficiency testing and even he has stated, that intel is back now.
Posted by Worthless
 - Today at 15:07:35
Quote from: Worgarthe on Today at 11:15:46AMD fanatics are truly something else...

There are quite a few in this thread but not me lol. My comment was said solely out of passionate hatred for Passmark in general. Wasn't even thinking of AMD at all.

Posted by opckieran
 - Today at 15:01:26
Quote from: M2026 on Today at 08:45:40@Tyler
1. yes, it is faster – 2,6%, that is so interesting or even a "gamechanger"? 1,8 nm vs 4 nm and less, than 3%???
2. I am NOT an AMD fan – the opposite, that is why this is a disappointment for me as well, but let´s wait for the workstations
3. the iGPU is great, but only for MS Office, accounters etc. Not a single CAD/CAM guy will buy the Panther Lake laptop because of the iGPU!

@opckieran
,,Time for the fanboys to wake up..."
Yes, it is about the time to wake up – FOR YOU! Loool
Hype for how long, more than 1 year and then 3% better (sorry 2,6% :), than the 370 = 1,8nm vs 4nm? loool

Keep coping! You honestly believe customers make their final purchasing decision based on the *manufacturing node* as opposed to performance and efficiency?? And the GPU is 70% faster than 370's, not 3% (CPU perf parity doesn't help AMD either btw). Nobody said this iGPU was aimed at CAD/CAM. That's you shifting the goalposts.


Quote from: Citizen_not_Consumer on Today at 14:43:53Intel's 1.8nm appears to be a total failure:

1. All potential customers (Apple, Qualcomm, etc) who tested Intel's 1.8nm left running to queue up at TSMC and Samsung despite the increased prices and long waiting times. Intel intself is using TSMC for critical components (iGPU, and many CPU tiles still).
2. Intel's Panther Lake 1.8nm CPU efficiency is equal to 4nm TSMC's.
3. In few months Zen 6 is released (already in production for EPYC) and Intel will be trailing again for years.

The only thing Intel is good at, is spending taxpayers money by receiving huge subsidies (just received another $150 billion from Pentagon) instead of these money going to better education or health care so future generations can be better educated and compete internationally!


No actual consumers give a sh*t about manufacturing nodes... It's just e-peen measuring for nerds. Real customers care about the final product.

Zen 6 better be good for AMD's sake. After Panther Lake, Zen 6 needs to be +20% over Zen 5 if they want to stay competitive in the laptop space!

And at this point, I'd rather subsidize companies than get any more Learing Centers! Putting our education in the hands of foreigners... All that accomplished was us getting scammed to high heaven! I didn't vote for this woke-mandated nonsense!
Posted by Citizen_not_Consumer
 - Today at 14:43:53
Intel's 1.8nm appears to be a total failure:

1. All potential customers (Apple, Qualcomm, etc) who tested Intel's 1.8nm left running to queue up at TSMC and Samsung despite the increased prices and long waiting times. Intel intself is using TSMC for critical components (iGPU, and many CPU tiles still).
2. Intel's Panther Lake 1.8nm CPU efficiency is equal to 4nm TSMC's.
3. In few months Zen 6 is released (already in production for EPYC) and Intel will be trailing again for years.

The only thing Intel is good at, is spending taxpayers money by receiving huge subsidies (just received another $150 billion from Pentagon) instead of these money going to better education or health care so future generations can be better educated and compete internationally!
Posted by Worgarthe
 - Today at 14:36:11
Quote from: M2026 on Today at 13:58:50"So you just described AMD, Apple and Nvidia. Nothing but TSMC's dGPUs and iGPUs. Coping level pro."
Maybe you should take it in context, but you would have to read that with understanding.
Yes, the context you mentioned it quite literally - it's not Intel's iGPU but TSMC's. And, of course, glorified SCAMD:

Quote from: M2026 on Today at 13:33:09Moreover, everyone is now praising iGPU on Intel, but professional software needs a powerful GPU, not this...!
But okay, in the case of the praised iGPU I will use slightly modified words of "kninez":
There is no "Intel's iGPU", there is only TSMC's iGPU glued to Intel. loool

There are not enough tests yet, let's wait for reviews of really powerful workstations. But if these numbers are confirmed, it will be just another chapter in Intel's "How to rip off the customer" manual...I don't want to be a bad prophet, but compare the presentation of Intel, Nvidia and AMD at CES 2026 - that says something.
Sure, not understanding yourself is your starting point, but that's a whole different story...
Posted by M2026
 - Today at 13:58:50
"So you just described AMD, Apple and Nvidia. Nothing but TSMC's dGPUs and iGPUs. Coping level pro."
Maybe you should take it in context, but you would have to read that with understanding.
Posted by Worgarthe
 - Today at 13:42:02
Quote from: M2026 on Today at 13:33:09There is no "Intel's iGPU", there is only TSMC's iGPU glued to Intel. loool
So you just described AMD, Apple and Nvidia. Nothing but TSMC's dGPUs and iGPUs. Coping level pro.
Posted by M2026
 - Today at 13:33:09
@Consumers_Are_Citizens
,,It's a game changer in heat, noise and battery life."
Well, what do you think is the difference between TDP 28W vs 28W (Intel vs AMD)?
What do you think is the difference between TDP 45W vs 45W (Intel vs AMD)?

In the case of Intel, 28/45W is less than 28/45W in the case of AMD? You can't be serious! :)

In the case of passmark the difference is "huge" - less than 4%, in the case of cinebench less than 3%. Is this the mentioned "gamechanger"?

Moreover, everyone is now praising iGPU on Intel, but professional software needs a powerful GPU, not this...!
But okay, in the case of the praised iGPU I will use slightly modified words of "kninez":
There is no "Intel's iGPU", there is only TSMC's iGPU glued to Intel. loool

There are not enough tests yet, let's wait for reviews of really powerful workstations. But if these numbers are confirmed, it will be just another chapter in Intel's "How to rip off the customer" manual...I don't want to be a bad prophet, but compare the presentation of Intel, Nvidia and AMD at CES 2026 - that says something.
Posted by Worgarthe
 - Today at 11:15:46
Quote from: opckieran on Today at 06:28:01Lmao they'll defend AMD's neverending rebranding to the death too but heaven forbid Intel or nVidia actually release something good for once...
My favourite is:

  • When AMD is beating Intel in benchmark ABC then it's always "Hahah, Intel is so trash, AMD is beating it in the ABC"
  • When Intel is beating AMD in that same benchmark: "The ABC is a complete irrelevant trash, AMD is better."

Perfect recent example from this article: Intel Core Ultra X9 388H chip crushes AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 470, Core Ultra 9 285H in latest Passmark appearance

Quote from: Worthless on January 23, 2026, 23:39:30Passmark is a worthless benchmark.

Quote from: Kei on January 23, 2026, 20:42:58Intel's Core Ultra X9 388H is definitely promising

Unfortunately, I think it'll be short-lived now that N1X is going to be announced officially in a few months. Proper Nvidia drivers with RTX 5070 performance in an APU. Why would anyone get this anymore?

AMD fanatics are truly something else...
Posted by Consumers_Are_Citizens
 - Today at 10:59:21
@M2026

It's a game changer in heat, noise and battery life. And it's interesting because we know their decent igpu will be in more than 1 laptop with actual volume (unlike AMD).

I feel like you're stressing over the finer details like %'s gains and nm's way too much and are missing the bigger picture.

The only thing which seems a little "yikes" is the apparent pricing for some of these laptops but I'm sure over time this will go down after the release of Snapdragon X2 and Nvidia's N1(X).
Posted by Sergey
 - Today at 10:29:00
Quotethe hx 370 is the king of low watt with only a 3-7% less compute

There are no convertibles with the HX370/375 available right now. No apples-to-apples comparison opportunity. See?
Posted by NikoB was correct!
 - Today at 09:56:14
NikoB would always rant at how disappointly AMDs memory controller performed. Guess he was correct. We know APUs are mainly bottlenecked by bandwidth and Intel made a big deal over their memory compression tech, which seems to be paying in dividends now.
Posted by M2026
 - Today at 08:45:40
@Tyler
1. yes, it is faster – 2,6%, that is so interesting or even a "gamechanger"? 1,8 nm vs 4 nm and less, than 3%???
2. I am NOT an AMD fan – the opposite, that is why this is a disappointment for me as well, but let´s wait for the workstations
3. the iGPU is great, but only for MS Office, accounters etc. Not a single CAD/CAM guy will buy the Panther Lake laptop because of the iGPU!

@opckieran
,,Time for the fanboys to wake up..."
Yes, it is about the time to wake up – FOR YOU! Loool
Hype for how long, more than 1 year and then 3% better (sorry 2,6% :), than the 370 = 1,8nm vs 4nm? loool
Posted by opckieran
 - Today at 06:28:01
Quote from: Tyler on Today at 06:18:57
Quote from: M2026 on Today at 00:00:31@kninez
,,...especially their GPUs."
Yep – Intel INCLUDED lol

@Tyler
Are you blind??? Did you read this?
,,However, the difference to the Ryzen AI 9 HX370 is small, so Intel has only caught up here."

Did you see the table???
Intel Core Ultra X9 338H
794 points
959 points
1,043 points
1,136 points
AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX370
760 points
927 points
1022 points
1107 points

You call this ,,This beats the pants off anything AMD has..." = 1136 vs 1107? loool

Still faster....fast is faster....and AMD fans hate admitting when intel is faster, but can always point out when AMD is......but we should also just ignore IGP performance as well......destroyed.  Go drink some more copium

Lmao they'll defend AMD's neverending rebranding to the death too but heaven forbid Intel or nVidia actually release something good for once...

Time for the fanboys to wake up: Intel is serious about GPU. Desktops aren't everything, and even there AMD is losing hand-over-fist to nVidia. Laptops are the way forward. Intel played their cards right, and should be rewarded this time for actually bringing a new architecture to consumers.
Posted by Tyler
 - Today at 06:18:57
Quote from: M2026 on Today at 00:00:31@kninez
,,...especially their GPUs."
Yep – Intel INCLUDED lol

@Tyler
Are you blind??? Did you read this?
,,However, the difference to the Ryzen AI 9 HX370 is small, so Intel has only caught up here."

Did you see the table???
Intel Core Ultra X9 338H
794 points
959 points
1,043 points
1,136 points
AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX370
760 points
927 points
1022 points
1107 points

You call this ,,This beats the pants off anything AMD has..." = 1136 vs 1107? loool

Still faster....fast is faster....and AMD fans hate admitting when intel is faster, but can always point out when AMD is......but we should also just ignore IGP performance as well......destroyed.  Go drink some more copium