@M2026

It's a game changer in heat, noise and battery life. And it's interesting because we know their decent igpu will be in more than 1 laptop with actual volume (unlike AMD).

I feel like you're stressing over the finer details like %'s gains and nm's way too much and are missing the bigger picture.

The only thing which seems a little "yikes" is the apparent pricing for some of these laptops but I'm sure over time this will go down after the release of Snapdragon X2 and Nvidia's N1(X).

Quotethe hx 370 is the king of low watt with only a 3-7% less compute

There are no convertibles with the HX370/375 available right now. No apples-to-apples comparison opportunity. See?

NikoB would always rant at how disappointly AMDs memory controller performed. Guess he was correct. We know APUs are mainly bottlenecked by bandwidth and Intel made a big deal over their memory compression tech, which seems to be paying in dividends now.

@Tyler
1. yes, it is faster – 2,6%, that is so interesting or even a "gamechanger"? 1,8 nm vs 4 nm and less, than 3%???
2. I am NOT an AMD fan – the opposite, that is why this is a disappointment for me as well, but let´s wait for the workstations
3. the iGPU is great, but only for MS Office, accounters etc. Not a single CAD/CAM guy will buy the Panther Lake laptop because of the iGPU!

@opckieran
,,Time for the fanboys to wake up..."
Yes, it is about the time to wake up – FOR YOU! Loool
Hype for how long, more than 1 year and then 3% better (sorry 2,6% :), than the 370 = 1,8nm vs 4nm? loool

Quote from: Tyler on Today at 06:18:57

Quote from: M2026 on Today at 00:00:31@kninez
,,...especially their GPUs."
Yep – Intel INCLUDED lol

@Tyler
Are you blind??? Did you read this?
,,However, the difference to the Ryzen AI 9 HX370 is small, so Intel has only caught up here."

Did you see the table???
Intel Core Ultra X9 338H
794 points
959 points
1,043 points
1,136 points
AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX370
760 points
927 points
1022 points
1107 points

You call this ,,This beats the pants off anything AMD has..." = 1136 vs 1107? loool

Still faster....fast is faster....and AMD fans hate admitting when intel is faster, but can always point out when AMD is......but we should also just ignore IGP performance as well......destroyed.  Go drink some more copium

Lmao they'll defend AMD's neverending rebranding to the death too but heaven forbid Intel or nVidia actually release something good for once...

Time for the fanboys to wake up: Intel is serious about GPU. Desktops aren't everything, and even there AMD is losing hand-over-fist to nVidia. Laptops are the way forward. Intel played their cards right, and should be rewarded this time for actually bringing a new architecture to consumers.

Quote from: M2026 on Today at 00:00:31@kninez
,,...especially their GPUs."
Yep – Intel INCLUDED lol

@Tyler
Are you blind??? Did you read this?
,,However, the difference to the Ryzen AI 9 HX370 is small, so Intel has only caught up here."

Did you see the table???
Intel Core Ultra X9 338H
794 points
959 points
1,043 points
1,136 points
AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX370
760 points
927 points
1022 points
1107 points

You call this ,,This beats the pants off anything AMD has..." = 1136 vs 1107? loool

Still faster....fast is faster....and AMD fans hate admitting when intel is faster, but can always point out when AMD is......but we should also just ignore IGP performance as well......destroyed.  Go drink some more copium

Overall it looks a good product but I take issue with some of the comparisons here. It is missing comparison to Strix Halo. It was included in the GPU review but for some reason missing here for the CPU analysis. Especially at lower power settings it would be an interesting comparison.

Also regarding some of the comments below, before you disregard Strix Halo as a different class, you should check the prices. This Zenbook (2600 euros) is priced above the Asus ROG Flow Z13 (2200 euro for 32 GB version).

As someone that hasn't bought an Intel cpu in 10 years, I feel Panther Lake is a good product and have no problems taking it over any Gorgon Point product. I could wait for Nova Lake or Zen 6, but my laptop is now 190 years old and really struggling. Something better is always on the horizon.

AMD is saddled by being stuck on 4nm, but they could have offered a better refresh than Gorgon if they could care at all about consumer market and not just AI datacentres. Stix Halo is still stupidly expensive and hard to find and with Zen 6 apu's not out for well over a year Panther Lake will rule x64 in 2026. I might change my tune if Qualcomm X2 Elite show big improvements, but they still face the issue of having pathetic driver support.

@kninez
,,...especially their GPUs."
Yep – Intel INCLUDED lol

@Tyler
Are you blind??? Did you read this?
,,However, the difference to the Ryzen AI 9 HX370 is small, so Intel has only caught up here."

Did you see the table???
Intel Core Ultra X9 338H
794 points
959 points
1,043 points
1,136 points
AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX370
760 points
927 points
1022 points
1107 points

You call this ,,This beats the pants off anything AMD has..." = 1136 vs 1107? loool

Quote from: Citizen_not_Consumer on Yesterday at 19:34:41Wow after all the big talk, Panther lake is a pure disappointment! At least when the CPU is concerned.

AMD's 2 years old HX 370 on 4nm node is almost equally fast and efficient (In Cinebench 2024 multi is actually faster!).

Where is the 1.8nm node efficiency compared to AMD's 4nm?

Not a disappointment, Intel is the only CPU maker in the world that can design and fab their own CPUs. Wanting to maintain and operate their fabs instead of caving and outsourcing to TSMC a decade ago was their key chokepoint. It's why we got 14nm, 14nm+, 14nm++ etc.

Everyone else, AMD, Nvidia, MediaTek, Qualcomm, Playstation, Xbox, Apple etc rely on TSMC or other companies/fabs to make their CPUs and especially their GPUs.

There is no "AMD's 4nm", there is only TSMCs 4nm. And we know that these node names/numbers don't mean much these days.

The fact is that Panther Lake can match Arrow Lake in terms of performance while using similar or less power. It's funny how you singled out one of the few tests where it loses aka "Cinebench 2024" and it's only by a relatively small margin.

Also, AMDs 2 year old HX370 has been recycled in 2026 with the HX470 after two years, in 2026 AMD doesn't have anything new to offer, Exact Same CPU, GPU & NPU with marginally higher clocks. Same outdated RDNA 3.5 Architecture with zero support for FSR4.

Panther lake has the most powerful GPU with a 128-bit bus, beats the 890M in every single test, especially if Ray-tracing is involved.

All that's left is the GPU, they signed a multi-year contract with TSMC and thus the 12 Core GPU and Platform Tiles are still made by TSMC. The 4 Core GPU is made by Intel's 18A however which shows intel can Fab their own GPUs, The platform tile will be easy to carry over too. It's what they are finalizing now.

In a year or two Intel will be Designing and fabbing their CPU, GPU and Platform Tile for desktops, laptops and handhelds, that vertical stack will be unrivalled for a chipmaker.

The point isn't whether Intel absolutely crushes AMD or not, the question is, Can they compete? With panther lake, the answer is yes, finally they can, after a long dry spell.

For the first time I can recommend an Intel Laptop/Handheld chip over a Ryzen HX 370/470.

Strix Halo without FSR4 or frame-gen support is the only thing higher and it's way more expensive.

So yes, Intel is back.

Wow after all the big talk, Panther lake is a pure disappointment! At least when the CPU is concerned.

AMD's 2 years old HX 370 on 4nm node is almost equally fast and efficient (In Cinebench 2024 multi is actually faster!).

Where is the 1.8nm node efficiency compared to AMD's 4nm?

But in Performance rating and Single Power Efficiency the
Apple M4 (10 cores)
MacBook Pro 14 2024 M4, 24, 24
is crazy good and Panther Lake has not improved over the previous gen.

Waiting for the iGPU measurements.

So in terms of CPU Points per Watt, INTEL, AMD, APPLE and QUALCOMM are all about equal (+- 10%, depending whether the limit is set to 20W or 28W):

QuoteIntel Core Ultra X9 388H at 28W: 22.3 Points per Watt
Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite X1E-84-100: 22.1 Points per Watt
AMD Ryzen AI 9 465: 22.1 Points per Watt
Apple M4 Pro (12 cores): 21.8 Points per Watt

Apple M5 (10 Cores) 30.5W, 27.5W, scores still 23% better than 388H at similar 28W, but the 388H still looks very competitive and the +23% is not where I personally would make my purchasing decision based on.

Or the hx 370 is the king of low watt with only a 3-7% less compute... With much higher efficiencies at low watts. This review looks biased.