I hope that amd improves the efficiency at lower wattages with these newer strix halo parts. Because I briefly used a 385 on the hp zbook in windows (& the z13 with 395) and wasn't impressed their battery life. But if they can do what they did with z1 extreme / hx370 -> z2 extreme, in terms of efficiency, that would be huge for strix halo as it's the only real problem with it now. (Besides the obvious pricing and availability)

Quote from: A on Yesterday at 21:21:20Currently, AI isn't the reason why strix halo is..

Yeh, you're probably right. I mean z2 extreme handhelds have nothing to do with AI (with such limited soldered ram config and small memory bus / bandwidth) but they're still out of stock in many regions and overpriced. Just AMD issues.

I guess we will also see with RDNA5 too as that is an unified architecture aimed both for AI/compute and gaming. See if that scale of production helps reduce prices or not..

Quote from: A on Yesterday at 21:21:20Even if you lock it at 12gb it wouldn't work. On my APU minipc, I am locked to option of 1gb or 2gb in bios. I raised it to up to 32gb in linux outside the bios via GTT on my 64gb ram

Is there anyway do such changes via windows? Like not even through WSL maybe?

And I'm not even sure allocation or segmentation even matters on an apu like strix halo. Because the whole thing is unified and using fast memory with fixed latency. Even if like it went over such a limit, and start using system memory I'd think there would be very little performance degradation, no?

But people are stating massive gains when increasing vram allocation on z2 extreme.. so idk. Maybe I'm missing something here?

Quote from: S on Yesterday at 07:15:39It kind of would, if it stops AI folks from buying one, which in turn rises costs and causes supply issues for everyone else, as we've seen.

People are frustrated by poor bios allocation settings. Like the legion go 2 having 2GB allocated only on its apu for vram as default and then providing options for as much as 16GB which is kind of overkill.

They should just provide one setting. 12GB vram allocation (I don't even know why others exist) and only have 32GB SKU's.

First, it won't stop AI folks from buying one because AI folks use linux for higher performance which has GTT. Even if you lock it at 12gb it wouldn't work. On my APU minipc, I am locked to option of 1gb or 2gb in bios. I raised it to up to 32gb in linux outside the bios via GTT on my 64gb ram

Currently, AI isn't the reason why strix halo is expensive, actually AI can help lower the price because Strix halo is low production now, they need to scale production and AI creates a reason to scale production. But be aware, nobody doing AI with strix halo is using it for anything other than personal use. Because in terms of performance, buying multiple old AMD MI25 would yield higher performance. Nobody is going to be buying strix halo to build ai farms

If anything, if not for AI, strix halo likely wouldn't even exist in the first place.

It kind of would, if it stops AI folks from buying one, which in turn rises costs and causes supply issues for everyone else, as we've seen.

People are frustrated by poor bios allocation settings. Like the legion go 2 having 2GB allocated only on its apu for vram as default and then providing options for as much as 16GB which is kind of overkill.

They should just provide one setting. 12GB vram allocation (I don't even know why others exist) and only have 32GB SKU's.

The real important thing is price. If they can get it down below 1 grand for a minipc and below 1.5 grand for a laptop it would be real nice.

Quote from: Kei on November 05, 2025, 17:44:10AMD should really focus on the Ryzen Max 388 (8 CPU Cores with 8060S IGPU) and limit VRAM to 12 GB, and mass-produce it to lower the production cost. This would be a massive opportunity to dominate the budget gaming segment that is owned by Nvidia's RTX 5050/5060 laptops.

This makes no sense at all. Strix Halo has unified memory which means the gpu and cpu share the same memory. It doesn't need to limit VRAM as VRAM is set dynamically through BIOS through Variable Graphics Memory. Or dynamically allocated via Graphics Translation Table

Quote from: Kei on November 05, 2025, 17:44:10AMD should really focus on the Ryzen Max 388 (8 CPU Cores with 8060S IGPU) and limit VRAM to 12 GB, and mass-produce it to lower the production cost. This would be a massive opportunity to dominate the budget gaming segment that is owned by Nvidia's RTX 5050/5060 laptops.

What? No. Limiting VRAM does not make it cheaper. Let people decide if they want more or less RAM.

AMD should really focus on the Ryzen Max 388 (8 CPU Cores with 8060S IGPU) and limit VRAM to 12 GB, and mass-produce it to lower the production cost. This would be a massive opportunity to dominate the budget gaming segment that is owned by Nvidia's RTX 5050/5060 laptops.

This processor is very interesting; now we just have to see which laptops it will be in.
Currently, there aren't many laptops with AMD Halo processors; there are:
Asus ROG Flow Z13
HP ZBook Ultra G1a
GPD Win 5 (this is a console)

Many people are waiting until 2026 for many more manufacturers to release AMD Halo models, given its strong performance. AMD Halo has been very well received by designers, architects, animators for video editing, 3D, and artificial intelligence.