Quote from: Inthebin on October 17, 2025, 12:20:25The day Intel consumes less power

They kind of already do tbh. The problem is their big.little core design chiplet architecture pretty much only enables them to be more efficient at idle or extremely lightly threaded workloads. We see this with lunar lake getting like 23+ hours vs z2 extreme only 16 hours.

The problem is, most people aren't exactly using their PC's to stare at a desktop all day.

As soon as you put anything remotely mid to high moderate load or something that stresses the 3d gfx driver stack, AMD becomes more efficient then.

AMD's problem is kind of the opposite. Z1 extreme had kind of terrible battery life when playing lighter games and using lower tdp. But we can see they are working on this with the improvements they made on the z2 extreme at 13w and 17w.

Quote from: dila on October 16, 2025, 19:08:56Does anyone really even care? We're talking about a handheld vs a pc?

You certainly don't care enough to inform yourself of the subjects you seem to give your "opinion" on

Quote from: Inthebin on October 17, 2025, 12:20:25The day Intel consumes less power than AMD is the day hell freezes over. I'd like to game for a few hours, not minutes.

Yep, Intel claims better power efficiency of lunar lake Vs strix halo, and on surface it may seem true. Performance/TDP is better in lunar lake. Too bad that Intel's TDP since 2017 means nothing. Take the same tests and compare performance/measured power consumption and lunar lake is 30% behind strix halo.

I suspect that z2 I consuming 65W peak with TDP set at 55W. Panther lake with TDP of 45W is probably peaking around 100W if it's similar to lunar lake in this regard.

It is not a fair comparison, z2 extreme was launch at beginning at this year, and Intel panther lake only going to release at late Q4, processor or APU performance going to double every year...

The day Intel consumes less power than AMD is the day hell freezes over. I'd like to game for a few hours, not minutes.

Quote from: dila on October 16, 2025, 19:08:56Does anyone really even care?

Just hope it eventually results in forcing AMD to reduce the price and increase the supply of strix halo, so we can have more design wins and devices with it. That would be nice.

Quote from: dila on October 16, 2025, 19:08:56Does anyone really even care? We're talking about a handheld vs a pc?

Panther Lake is a mobile chip only, thus for laptops and handhelds.

Does anyone really even care? We're talking about a handheld vs a pc?