Correct, the difference between BYD, CATL, etc and Tesla is that those companies don't overpromise, and actually deliver what and when they promise.

Tesla has a recurring habit of not delivering what they promised, and to miss their release dates.

Quote from: Nah on October 09, 2025, 02:36:10Every company developing them plans a release in (current year) + 2-5

Somehow only Tesla gets called out for pushing vaporware.

Pretty sure they can be built individually in a lab for a budget that can buy a house, getting cost down and automating assembly is the problem

"Journalists" need to stop passing off these PR releases as news.

Every battery manufacturer that wasn't a startup was communicating that mainstream SSBs will arrive around 2030. Somehow every car maker (Lexus, BMW, Mercedess and Chinese ones) communicated that they will release limited production cars around 2027. Those will use pilot production SSBs.
These timelines are reasonable.
What Tesla and specifically Musk communicated - they will have a feature or new tech ready by the end of current year or next year. And they've consistently missed the mark for as long as Tesla was making cars. They deserve their reputation.

Every company developing them plans a release in (current year) + 2-5

Somehow only Tesla gets called out for pushing vaporware.

Pretty sure they can be built individually in a lab for a budget that can buy a house, getting cost down and automating assembly is the problem

"Journalists" need to stop passing off these PR releases as news.

Ok, we are still in the age of batteries,  has anybody tried a bunch of thinly slices of diamond batteries, half diamond battery cells with separated lithium ion cells or solid State cells, diamond batteries are made of carbon that everything is made of,

The hypocrisy of western politics. Claiming they care about environment, pollution, decarbonisation and sustainability - by pushing mandates and subsides for it but only when it comes down to non-chinese EVs.

When it comes to Chinese EVs, they're slapping 100% tarrifs. The irony is, if they truly cared about the environment they wouldn't doing this because having cheaper vehicles would boost EV adoption a whole lot more.

EV talk in the west is useless until they drop tarrifs for Chinese EVs. I ain't going to pay to subsidize non-Chinese EVs just because they can't compete.

Quote from: anan on October 07, 2025, 14:46:02Unfortunately everyone developing those SSBs state that those will be expensive. Like, orders of magnitude more expensive per capacity than conventional ones. Thus everything tentatively announced up till now was limited to several luxury models.

It'll start out expensive, but the expectation is that SSBs will end up being cheaper than traditional batteries.

My expectation is that by 2035 we'll have great cheap batteries all-around (better LFP, sodium will have picked up, etc.)

Quote from: heffeque on October 07, 2025, 12:04:33If priced right, this will be the final nail to convince 90% of the population that combustion engines are no longer needed.

I'm fully aware that there will always be people against it, even if/when the electric version is far superior in milage, performance, cheaper maintenance, etc.

Unfortunately everyone developing those SSBs state that those will be expensive. Like, orders of magnitude more expensive per capacity than conventional ones. Thus everything tentatively announced up till now was limited to several luxury models.

If priced right, this will be the final nail to convince 90% of the population that combustion engines are no longer needed.

I'm fully aware that there will always be people against it, even if/when the electric version is far superior in milage, performance, cheaper maintenance, etc.