Quote from: RobertJasiek on Today at 07:15:49

Quote from: Worgarthe on Yesterday at 22:46:36soldered RAM is known to fail on a daily basis

I have not heard about this so please tell us more!

That was irony, Robert, because of that comment by Bingus which implies how... Actually it doesn't imply anything, it openly states how laptops with soldered RAM are not reliable and repairable (as there is nothing else to repair but RAM):

Quote from: Bingus on Yesterday at 19:01:05the whole point of these businesses laptops is that they're reliable and repairable

...while in reality soldered RAM fails about as often as CPU, so basically you have to be extremely unlucky for that to happen. Anything else will fail before those two. And almost everything else is repairable just fine. Hardware Maintenance Manual is right there on Lenovo's website, for literally every existing ThinkPad, with everything shown how to disassemble, fix and repair down to a small screw.

And those ThinkPads I mentioned before, like the X1 Carbon or the T14s for example, are extremely serious and reliable (and expensive!) business machines despite of their soldered RAM. Yet, with their soldered RAM, many years later they are still here, business customers still buy them and enjoy them, unless there's some super-secret NDA to sign where no mention of RAM failures can ever go public ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I mean, again, those are business laptops with long warranties (3-5 years), with on-site support from Lenovo technicians etc., is a random business person, who didn't buy a laptop at all but it was given to them by their workplace, going to spend their day trying to fix a potential failure (even if that's soldered RAM, no matter how astronomically small chance there is for that to happen), or are they going to call the support and let them deal with that under warranty?

Quote from: Worgarthe on Yesterday at 22:46:36soldered RAM is known to fail on a daily basis

I have not heard about this so please tell us more!

Quote from: Bingus on Yesterday at 19:01:05repairability??? insane that that didnt cross your mind, even in the edit. the whole point of these businesses laptops is that they're reliable and repairable

Yes, because soldered RAM is known to fail on a daily basis so it needs to be repaired. Also X1 Carbon, X9 14 and X9 15, T14s, P14s Gen 4, T14 Gen 6 with Intel V series CPUs... I can keep going if you want but the point is that all of them are ThinkPads, all of them are business laptops, all of them have soldered RAM.

Quote from: Worgarthe on September 05, 2025, 15:34:02Why don't they solder the RAM? It's not like those LPCAMM modules are available anywhere to get, and with soldered (yes this is also soldered but you know what I mean) the price would be cheaper and that RAM could be faster. Weird decision this way to go with only 64 GB, meh... Other than that, it looks pretty damn awesome.

Edit: Nevermind, I thought faster RAM was supported by these Intel CPUs but they max at 7467 MT/s. Still, with "truly" soldered it would be possible to go to 128 GB easily.

repairability??? insane that that didnt cross your mind, even in the edit. the whole point of these businesses laptops is that they're reliable and repairable

Quote from: nick23 on September 05, 2025, 15:45:13The big news here is the tandem OLED display - almost all OLED laptops are horribly glossy but seeing "anti-glare/anti-reflective" in the specs makes me very happy.

The tandem OLED display is a touch panel.
There is an add-on film touch on the screen and no option without it.
It could be visible on bright images.

The big news here is the tandem OLED display - almost all OLED laptops are horribly glossy but seeing "anti-glare/anti-reflective" in the specs makes me very happy.

Why don't they solder the RAM? It's not like those LPCAMM modules are available anywhere to get, and with soldered (yes this is also soldered but you know what I mean) the price would be cheaper and that RAM could be faster. Weird decision this way to go with only 64 GB, meh... Other than that, it looks pretty damn awesome.

Edit: Nevermind, I thought faster RAM was supported by these Intel CPUs but they max at 7467 MT/s. Still, with "truly" soldered it would be possible to go to 128 GB easily.

Something is strange about the specs.
Storage slots are PCIe4 but they offer PCIe5 SSDs for "performance" ones :
https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkPad_P1_Gen_8?tab=spec
Is there an error ?

On Thinkbook 16p Gen6, it seems to be able to full PCIe5 slots and SSD :
https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkBook/ThinkBook_16p_G6_IAX?tab=spec