Framework Desktop FTW. Please do the benchmark on sustained performance/TDP between desktops using 395+.

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Quote from: beerkegbob on August 18, 2025, 16:17:21For $1400 or $1600 I could have a full size gaming desktop.
Why would i pay that for something that limits my options?

Why would I want a huge desktop PC when I can have a compact and efficient PC?

Repairability? Upgradability? Longer warranty on each component inside? Non-soldered RAM but instead upgradable up to 192 GB? Full control of any item inside? 9950X is faster than this CPU? It is also overclockable to squeeze even more performance? RTX 5070 Ti stomps this 8060S (exactly twice faster in benchmarks, much faster in games and it can run almost any game in ultra/maxed at 1440p at 165 Hz native without VRR, no need for upscaling either)? Quieter with better cooling (larger case, larger vents)? Fractal Terra is small and stylish case where everything mentioned can fit inside and aesthetically looks much nicer than this here?

All of that is exactly US$1618.02.

This one has LLM workload as its only advantage. Well unless you want to have as small as possible but no idea why that matters to such degree where 10 cm here and there plays any difference, unless you live in a 6 m2 apartment (six, yes).

Quote from: beerkegbob on August 18, 2025, 16:17:21For $1400 or $1600 I could have a full size gaming desktop.
Why would i pay that for something that limits my options?

Why would I want a huge desktop PC when I can have a compact and efficient PC?

Correct, Jonas. I was just going by pure prices with no real regard to huge performance, as beerkegbob's mention was about a $1400-$1600 range gaming desktop.

You say that as if one of these workstation dGPUs with 48 GB of dedicated memory is in the same league as an iGPU like the Radeon 8060S with access to up to 96 GB of system memory.

The card you linked is an old Quadro from 2018, 48 GB of memory is just about all it has going for itself - but yeah, the RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell with 96 GB of dedicated memory would be today's top workstation card, and that's going for a proverbial truckload of money.

Quote from: beerkegbob on August 18, 2025, 16:17:21For $1400 or $1600 I could have a full size gaming desktop.

Correct.

Quote from: beerkegbob on August 18, 2025, 16:17:21Why would i pay that for something that limits my options?

Because if you need the following...

Quote"...the Bosgame M5 is a mighty mini PC that also scores points with its high AI performance. With the option of assigning up to 96 GB of RAM to the graphics card, the mini PC has a major advantage over many other PCs."

...you cannot do that with the mentioned $1400 or $1600 budget.

So, if you need that then building your own desktop is not an option. For everything else building your own is clearly far superior.

Edit: Just went to check, the cheapest 48 GB VRAM GPU on the market right now is US$3287: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8kF48d/pny-vcqrtx8000-pb-quadro-rtx-8000-48-gb-video-card-vcqrtx8000-pb

To match 96 GB you would need need to double that, so US$6574 just on GPUs, which is clearly far above $1400-1500, without even getting other parts like CPU, mobo, RAM...

For $1400 or $1600 I could have a full size gaming desktop.
Why would i pay that for something that limits my options?

Can't wait for the Framework Desktop review.