Quote from: Worgarthe on July 15, 2025, 12:45:25I'll patiently wait to see some impressive mental gymnastics
Will try my best.
I would say overall, those are not comparable for the following reasons:
1) Those battery runtimes are under maximum brightness but those display panels are not comparable at all. The miniLED used there can do 600nits when manually set and boosts up to 1000+ nits when brightness sensor activated vs a 400 nit max oled. MiniLEDs tend to drain a lot more too, when maxed out.
2) Not everyone uses a computer fully maxed out using as many threads as possible but with lighter loads. You start to see the bigger gains here.
3) Can't compare the multi threaded scores of M4 with way less cores to strix point. Although I understand why you chose that as you did explain.
4) Apple laptops don't throttle at all. Like run full throttle, max capacity even when away from mains on battery. Whereas most windows laptops in general do stuff like drop to 60hz when on battery and away from mains, along with heavy / significant throttling. It's really not that deep. If as you say they're are like for like and comparable -- why throttle?
5) And we're barely scratching the surface here. Haven't even touched stuff like standby battery life on arm or fan noise.
6) I will admit I exaggerated a bit, it's probably not "3x-10x" but my point was in general it is an order of magnitude difference still. And there is further evidence of this when you look at the regular web browsing test @ normalized brightness level of 150nits. Suddenly, one laptop is getting 15hrs while others are more like getting 10hrs. It's not 3x-10x, but +5 hrs is no joke.
7) I honestly don't even know why we're still having this discussion in 2025. Digital foundry did a power consumption comparison of switch 2 soc efficiency vs steam deck recently. It was something like 8.9watts vs 24 watts. You can't even make the old arguement of "but they were using a better fab node", the tegra Orin chip is using old 8nm Samsung vs 7nm/6nm TSMC which is superior. Yes, they are getting comparable battery runtimes (2 hrs) when running heavy games like cyberpunk. But keep in mind the battery capacity difference. One is double the other.
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Hope I didn't disappoint expectations.
Quote from: Geekbench_Cheat_Apple_Win on July 15, 2025, 08:13:05I am not saying that Apple CPU are not good, they are great
Okay, that's fair enough. Sorry, I misunderstood what you were getting at then. I just tend to think most synthetic tests are useless anyway so I don't even bother with any. They're not real world and should only be used to assessment components are roughly working, in my opinion.
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