Quote from: macsareterrible on January 07, 2025, 21:19:49

Quote from: Christopher LaRoche on January 07, 2025, 20:37:23That's a hard pass. I have two laptop PCs and Microsoft has decided to load them up with bloatware and s***.  On my MacBook Air 2, I don't have to deal with any of that. I have no doubt if I got that Lenovo that, I would have to deal with the same thing because it's Windows 11.

I'm going to get an M3 or M4 MacBook Air. I miss the days when you can get a laptop PC and they weren't Microsoft's billboard for ads.

compared to macbooks, iphones, and ipads, with literally garbage 24/7 Apple services up sell ads baked into the OS' emails, and notifications? lmao apple sheep are so illogical and delusional.

LOL!!!!

I'm sorry but have you actually ever OWNED an Apple product?
(this is typed on my 2013 13" MBP)

My MBP, iPhone and iPad's have ZERO advertisements, notifications, emails or the other NONSENSE your claiming and describing.

Do I use Apple hardware? Sure. I also obviously use the Apple OS's that these devices use by default.

For the 'lurkers' I really could not care ANY LESS about any 'Apple Ecosystem' as while I do have a number of Apple products, "Air Drop" (iPhone/iPad to MAC) is surely the only 'feature' that is Applecentric that I use.

Oh - other than being able to actually CONTROL if my devices get updated or not. (and being able to disable their 'intelligence' ENTIRELY!!)

LOL!!!

I might actually have to buy this just for Lunar Lake and the 80wHr battery in that small chassis size.

I don't care if it's "good" It's garbage, It's not a real ThinkPad.

Quote from: kutor on January 08, 2025, 10:33:52People use Apple products because of the Apple ecosystem.

iSheep presumably.

I use an Apple product despite the Apple ecosystem.

Quote from: Logoffon on January 08, 2025, 13:14:18

Quote from: davidm on January 07, 2025, 17:13:20This is good in that without the trackpoint there's no reason for me to be stuck on Lenovo, I can finally take a serious look at Framework or other vendors.

The irony is that Framework doesn't offer trackpoint on their laptops officially (well, yet).

Right, maybe this will motivate them to offer them.

Quote from: davidm on January 07, 2025, 17:13:20This is good in that without the trackpoint there's no reason for me to be stuck on Lenovo, I can finally take a serious look at Framework or other vendors.

The irony is that Framework doesn't offer trackpoint on their laptops officially (well, yet).

People use Apple products because of the Apple ecosystem. Also, Apple has control over the hardware in their machines, so they can optimise their software better than Microsoft, whose OS has to run on wildly different hardware configurations.

NOT ONE Apple user will EVER switch to non-Apple laptops just because they look like a Macbook. So, dear laptop manufacturers, please stop this pointless and pathetic race of who can do a better Macbook imitation, and develop a personality instead. Thanks.

Quote from: Christopher LaRoche on January 07, 2025, 20:37:23That's a hard pass. I have two laptop PCs and Microsoft has decided to load them up with bloatware and s***.  On my MacBook Air 2, I don't have to deal with any of that. I have no doubt if I got that Lenovo that, I would have to deal with the same thing because it's Windows 11.

I'm going to get an M3 or M4 MacBook Air. I miss the days when you can get a laptop PC and they weren't Microsoft's billboard for ads.

compared to macbooks, iphones, and ipads, with literally garbage 24/7 Apple services up sell ads baked into the OS' emails, and notifications? lmao apple sheep are so illogical and delusional.

That's a hard pass. I have two laptop PCs and Microsoft has decided to load them up with bloatware and s***.  On my MacBook Air 2, I don't have to deal with any of that. I have no doubt if I got that Lenovo that, I would have to deal with the same thing because it's Windows 11.

I'm going to get an M3 or M4 MacBook Air. I miss the days when you can get a laptop PC and they weren't Microsoft's billboard for ads.

Didn't they already create the whole "IdeaPad" lineup for this kind of device?

Though with that keyboard, maybe gbus is a step too far even for an IdeaPad...

Quote"How? this new thinkpad looks NOTHING like an apple product."

It certainly looks like a "cheap" Mac. Similar to these 10$ Magic Keyboard lookalikes.

Quote"This is good in that without the trackpoint there's no reason for me to be stuck on Lenovo, I can finally take a serious look at Framework or other vendors."

Non upgradable RAM, only a small form factor storage NVMe and the fact it lacks trackpoint / usability with a hefty price tag to boot. Who would want this?

Framework has a certain charm, but what I dislike is that the "modular IO" concept is too limiting in its current form, compromises everywhere. I would be perfectly happy with a P1 like device with wired Ethernet and modular GPU and gradable RAM, WLAN, Storage.

I'm perfectly fine with this, as long as they keep it as a separate series in a ThinkPad lineup. Not giving my X1C and P16 away that soon anyways, but this is not a good step from Lenovo, that's for sure.

"ThinkPad X9 without ThinkPad design: Lenovo copies Apple's look"

How? this new thinkpad looks NOTHING like an apple product.
Just stop comparing everything to apple, it's tiresome.

This is good in that without the trackpoint there's no reason for me to be stuck on Lenovo, I can finally take a serious look at Framework or other vendors.