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Posted by indy
 - September 24, 2024, 23:22:54
Quote from: Jas on September 24, 2024, 15:15:34Possibly the dumbest article out there. Tesla has tons of other safety features that will also give drivers an advantage like lane assistance, collision avoidance, cameras and visualizations when turning. Just another catfish tesla bashing article.

Yes, the most distracting car on the road with buttons to turn is so safe. Just look over here at this screen and let the car drive for you. No worries, it's not going to mislead you. Trust us!
Posted by Jas
 - September 24, 2024, 15:15:34
Possibly the dumbest article out there. Tesla has tons of other safety features that will also give drivers an advantage like lane assistance, collision avoidance, cameras and visualizations when turning. Just another catfish tesla bashing article.
Posted by anan
 - September 23, 2024, 12:54:41
In EU we had stories over the years on how Americans would rent a manual car and attempt to drive it without knowing how. One lady rented a car and drove 100 km to the next city in 1st gear. The engine melted itself from driving that long on redline.
But this situation - the examines basically accused her of cheating. And after a long convincing session they did issue the license. Maybe they have a rule on the books that you cannot use self driving. But if they do not have a rule on single pedal driving - then it is on them to prove by other means that FSD was used other than break pedal engagement.
Also, some EVs don't have single pedal driving. Likely due to legal reasons.
Posted by Fox
 - September 23, 2024, 01:25:20
In Australia, if you qualify on a manual, your licence is good for manual or auto. Qualify on two pedals and you're not licenced for three. Maybe if you qualify on one pedal, you should only be licenced for one pedal.
Posted by Soy Boricua
 - September 22, 2024, 23:03:59
Quote from: Timk on September 22, 2024, 08:19:12"In the US, however, road tests are much easier as most DMV test centers allow a driving license candidate to take the exam in their own cars that they will most likely be driving from then on anyway."

In Aystralia most people will have their test in their own car, but if that happens to be an automatic, then your licence only allows driving automatics.

But who cares about learning manual 'stick shift' anymore when it is a legacy technology unneeded for EVs. Its dead.


Even when I learned how to drive many years ago, and manual transmissions were quite prevalent, I was asked by the examiners to bring an automatic transmission vehicle. The point was to take out the variable of a distraction such as shifting a vehicle and getting into an accident. The examiner was trying to see if I could make proper decisions or react appropriately to traffic situations.

So yeah, I'd failed a person taking the test if I wasn't able to determine that they were capable of reacting to unusual situations. That the car can do it, great, however, can the person do it? So I guess the car passed the driving test but the student has to fail because they didn't show they could drive.
Posted by indy
 - September 22, 2024, 22:06:06
Quote from: Janon on September 22, 2024, 20:12:02The number of regressive, Luddite, comments to this arti

All EVs support one pedal driving.

There is no single "One Pedal Driving" solution amongst singular manufacturers, let alone all EVs.

Call me a Luddite because the "technology" is "technology" without benefits. Capacitive buttons, square steering wheels, "motor" sounds, Large, distracting screens that put people at risk, "FSD," (sorry, "Simulated Full Self Driving") Want me to go on?  "Automated braking" that kicks on on sharp turns because the radar detects a car in an oncoming lane as a threat. This it's everyone at risk.
More? LED headlights that blind everyone, or even better, the "automated high beams" that are a second too late to turn off. Thank you for only blinding me for one full second!

This isn't technology that necessarily benefits mankind. Much of it are steps backward and cater to people unaware of being PRESENT WITH DRIVING.
Posted by rickie075
 - September 22, 2024, 21:03:50
Quote from: Janon on September 22, 2024, 20:12:02All EVs support one pedal driving.  And no, "everyone should be forced to learn stick" isn't sane in 2024.

This is the Twilight Zone ffs!
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Janon, I see your point, and I don't say it's right, but it is the way to live in today's world wether you like it or not.

You get driver's license, so your able to drive a car, no make, no model or architecture is mentioned.

I too, drive a TMY DM, and I love it, I learned to drive in 90's on Manual, I never had a problem wether with Automatic, hybrid nor BEV. But I have problems when after a 4 years in DSG Skoda, and now in 1 year BEV when I sit in my wife's Renault Clio with manual gearbox to drive it to gas station to refuel it once a week... I hope you get the picture.
Posted by Janon
 - September 22, 2024, 20:12:02
The number of regressive, Luddite, comments to this article on a TECHNICAL FORUM is pretty shocking.

If you stand with dinosaurs in ARIZONA who can't comprehend that technology moves on it's time to reevaluate your biases.

All EVs support one pedal driving.  And no, "everyone should be forced to learn stick" isn't sane in 2024.

This is the Twilight Zone ffs!
Posted by Joe K
 - September 22, 2024, 19:53:37
I agree with this. She didn't drive the car.  If you can't drive a 1989 Corolla with an automatic,  you cannot be issued a driver's license.  Because she can drive a Tesla Y but no other car. And that's why Tesla leads the accident rates.  People with money but no skill buy them for all the features but really can't drive.  And that's why insurance is so expensive now
Posted by rickie075
 - September 22, 2024, 19:24:54
Guys, please, calm down. Driver's license should mean, you are able to drive the basic car. Basic car means a car with a manual gearbox. Someone told, his friend paid amount of money cause in Italy he couldn't get a car with automatic transmission. That could be a lesson. On the other side, the situation will change. Pointing out "will"; right now, learn to know driving the basic car, so, you're able to drive automatic.
I learned to fly, as I was 45, so I learned the hard way. With charts, and no fly assisting systems.... Later, you get it "on the fly", but basics, you have to know basics. As long as we don't have full self driving... Unsupervised!
Posted by Worgarthe
 - September 22, 2024, 13:30:05
Quote from: Timk on September 22, 2024, 08:19:12But who cares about learning manaul 'stick shift' anymore
Wait until you discover that the world is larger than Australia, the US, and the UK. Take a look: https://www.google.com/maps

Quote from: Timk on September 22, 2024, 08:19:12when it is a legacy technology unneeded for EVs. Its dead.
Lol.
Posted by Andrew R
 - September 22, 2024, 12:31:39
Quote from: Timk on September 22, 2024, 08:19:12But who cares about learning manaul 'stick shift' anymore when it is a legacy technology unneeded for EVs. Its dead.


A friend just paid over €600 for a week of car rental in Italy, compared to €70 for me, because they couldn't drive manual and no cheaper automatic was available. Tell me more about who cares to learn driving manual.
Posted by Geffen
 - September 22, 2024, 11:51:43
Quote from: Peter B on September 22, 2024, 09:06:43Just to set the scene Europe and Australia both require log books of time driven by both parents and professional drivers of at least one hundred hours before the test day. Then they will drive for 30 minutes covering a range of driving abilities. It says it all just to focus on braking as a failure of the test

Not really, that might he the case in some countries but not in all of Europe. Educate yourself before answering. Also in some countries you can use your own car for the test
Posted by Peter B
 - September 22, 2024, 09:06:43
Just to set the scene Europe and Australia both require log books of time driven by both parents and professional drivers of at least one hundred hours before the test day. Then they will drive for 30 minutes covering a range of driving abilities. It says it all just to focus on braking as a failure of the test
Posted by Timk
 - September 22, 2024, 08:19:12
"In the US, however, road tests are much easier as most DMV test centers allow a driving license candidate to take the exam in their own cars that they will most likely be driving from then on anyway."

In Aystralia most people will have their test in their own car, but if that happens to be an automatic, then your licence only allows driving automatics.

But who cares about learning manaul 'stick shift' anymore when it is a legacy technology unneeded for EVs. Its dead.