Quote from: NikoB on November 29, 2023, 19:17:41The PROOF from China official site of Lenovo:
mitem.lenovo.com.cn/product/1030510.html
~1260$
And that config much faster(from PSU) then M3 Max Macbook 16 Pro 2023...=)
Who in their right mind would compare a premium laptop to a cheap gaming laptop? A person who chooses a business or workload premium laptop will never consider a cheap gaming series, because he have requirements that gaming series laptops in no way meet. And all laptops that meet them requirements, that on Windows that on MacOS cost comparable money.
Also, no one in their right mind does not buy the maximum configuration of laptops, only a couple percent of people do it, I'm talking about the configuration MBP 16 M3 Max/128Gb/8Tb for $7200.
More sensible people buy the base version, and expand the storage with DAS or NAS if necessary.
That's why the basic MacBook Pro 16" for $3500 and $4000 are expensive, but compared to the real competitors, MacBook cost are either equal or higher by 20% at most. Also even more people have enough basic MacBook 14" M3 Pro for much less money $2000-2400 or $2800 if more memory is required.
Yes I realize that there are many people who find the cheap gaming series of laptops more attractive, but it is extremely primitive of them to think that their requirements fit all people and those who have requirements do not fit for cheap gaming laptops are apparently fools.
The bottom line is that the main goal of all company is to make money, and all companies operate in a highly competitive market and do not take the price of their products from the ceiling. If you look at it, Chinese companies have also learned to make premium things, but suddenly it turns out that their cost is roughly equal to the cost of Apple products. Take a look at the Huawei MateBook X Pro, which is an analog of the MacBook Air
Lenovo with all due respect has no analogs MacBook Pro 16", only partially can compete with it Lenovo Slim Pro 9 cost start from $2200 or Lenovo Yoga Pro 9i 16 which costs $2900 for the configuration i9-13905H/32Gb/1Tb/RTX4060.
Pluses in competing laptops on Windows are expandability of memory and storage and Nvidia cards with much better performance in games (but such laptops are not bought for gaming) and some GPU workloads, but not all.
But there are also some of disadvantages compared to MacBook: the autonomy of work under the usual average load is 2-3 times less, (AMD has a chance to change that, but so far laptop manufacturers haven't taken advantage of it), the performance in battery operation is significantly reduced, the weight of the laptop + power adapter is too much, the MacBook in most cases I take with me without power adapter and it lasts me a full day.
Here's a list of AMD Ryzen 7040-powered laptops:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ap-mGyrNt723EO5v3B1nCW44R0XVMmOATpR-VZAXNgs/edit?pli=1#gid=0
In order to compete with MBP 16, the requirements for the laptop are as follows weight about 2 kg for 16" and 1.6 for 14", with quality Mini LED or OLED-display, battery life about 10 hours, with Thunderbolt 4 or USB-C 4 40Gbps port, high-quality, preferably not plastic unibody case, good sound system, keyboard and touchpad not worse than in MacBook Pro.
In order to compete with MBP 16 M3 Max the laptop should have AMD 7945HX or 7845HX processors and meet the other requirements listed above. It doesn't have any real competitors to the Macbook Pro 16 on M3 Max yet. So far, the only one that can get on this list is the ROG Zephyrus Duo 16, but its weight, dimensions and battery life are of course much worse. Asus ProArt Studiobook Pro 16 OLED not released on 7945HX yet.
There are very tentative competitors to the MacBook Pro 16 with M3 Pro processors, as the performance of the Ryzen 9 7940HS is on par with the M3, not the Pro version. The MBP 16 with M3 Pro 18Gb/1Tb costs $2700, 36Gb/1Tb costs $3100. An MBP 16 M3 laptop if they released one would be $400 cheaper, meaning the MBP 16 M3/16Gb/1Tb should cost $2300 and the 16 M3/32Gb/1Tb should cost $2700
So these are laptops like:
Asus ZenBook Pro 15 OLED 7940HS - no such thing yet, on Intel CPU it cost for version 16Gb/1Tb around $2000
Lenovo ThinkPad Z16 Gen 2 OLED 7940HS 64Gb/1Tb - $2939
HP EliteBook 865 G10 7840HS (but only have 1080p IPS display) 32Gb/1Tb - $3360
Acer Swift X 16 OLED 7940HS 16Gb/1Tb - $1600 (Bingo, we finally found a laptop much cheaper, but wait, it have only 16Gb memory soldered on board. With Windows in 2023 it's not enought, 76 Wh battery will give a maximum of 50 % working time compared to MBP. From review: Not gaming I get 3-4 hrs of doing normal web surfing.)
The competitor of MacBook Pro 14 with M3 Pro processor should have 7845HX processor and meet the other requirements listed above. There are no such notebooks yet either.
But there are competitors to the MacBook Pro 14 with the M3 processor. These are ultrabooks on AMD 7940HS or 7840HS processors, their list and cost can be calculated by yourself.
Total it turns out that the real competitors do not cost much cheaper.