Quote from: SquiddyL on July 14, 2020, 01:15:14
Cause their current architecture is hitting a price/performance ceiling so they can't increase cores without increasing price where as Zen seems to be able to. At least compared to Intel anyway. Thus Intel's answer is to include a bunch of s*** cores + marketing to make up some of the deficit since they really were doing nothing when they were ahead all these years.

Also, don't forget that AMD and Intel don't offer the exact same sets of instructions. For example, Ryzens don't support AVX-512. Does that make Zen s*** as you put it?

Quote from: SquiddyL on July 14, 2020, 01:15:14
Cause their current architecture is hitting a price/performance ceiling so they can't increase cores without increasing price where as Zen seems to be able to. At least compared to Intel anyway. Thus Intel's answer is to include a bunch of s*** cores + marketing to make up some of the deficit since they really were doing nothing when they were ahead all these years.

Nobody can give you more cores (same architecture and node) without spending more. Modular architecture just sidesteps yield issues at higher core counts, which allows the bigger CPUs to be cheaper (at 16+ cores, silicon cost should be roughly halved). But it can potentially allow them to give you more cores for the same money. I imagine that in a desktop, it would be more about silicon real estate rather than efficiency. It could also allow them to have more cores with a bigger iGPU. Whether it matters that you have smaller cores rather than bigger ones depends on the workloads you run. I see a bigger problem in that it requires software support (at least that's how it currently appears). OS support isn't that big of a problem. But getting third party support, that's not very good for users.

Gracemont is the Atom successor to the Tremont small core.  Golden Cove is the big core.

Quote from: opelit on July 14, 2020, 00:52:48
Why do they try to put a tech which supposed to be used in devices to save power, in PC... Where you want to reach full power.

Cause their current architecture is hitting a price/performance ceiling so they can't increase cores without increasing price where as Zen seems to be able to. At least compared to Intel anyway. Thus Intel's answer is to include a bunch of s*** cores + marketing to make up some of the deficit since they really were doing nothing when they were ahead all these years.

Why do they try to put a tech which supposed to be used in devices to save power, in PC... Where you want to reach full power.