Quote from: ariliquin on April 23, 2020, 04:36:39
We can blame manufacturers, they had the samples from both Intel and AMD and they could have chosen to provide an AMD high end option based on the results I am sure they obtained for themselves in testing and the design differences.
I think the main reason they did not bank on AMD was a perception that the market wants Intel for their high End devices, and AMD is perceived as the "cheap" option only. This has proven incorrect as the market has embraced the AMD due to its performance and technology. Who isn't interested in 7nm or the prospect of 5nm laptops? Some of us consumers understand what the reduction in NM will do to fix heat, throttling and improve battery and performance because we want to run intensive tasks regularly, has anyone seen an XPS review lately and just how terrible their performance is with Intel?
We are waiting for a high end AMD option. We are not going to buy Intel. We are not going to sacrifice screen quality or other quality elements to get into AMD. There is a market now and manufacturers should address that now. They are not getting my sale until they do, I'm looking at you Razer, Dell, Lenovo..
Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59Asus made AMD flagship and zephyrus earn a lot of money for them. OEM which is not able to adapt die like dinosaurs.Ryzens have scalable TDP so its easy to fit it to existing model. Laptop designs are nearly same as their predecesors, OEM can adapt in few weeks.
It would take an idiot to say "Let's go with AMD for our flagships!" when Intel was still shitting on AMD hard.
And no, now that AMD CPUs have proven themselves, the manufacturers can't just decide to release a high-end laptop with an AMD CPU, because this takes months of planning / designing before it can be released.
Quote from: toven on April 22, 2020, 23:02:22Exactly. RDNA2 beated Nvidia so Sony and Microsoft choose RDNA2 for their consoles.RDNA2 will be everywhere. Also AMD invest in crossplatform API - Vulkan is future. It provide very good enviroment for game developers, and much beter performance.
No need to upgrade to 8750H and 2080 with new name this year anyway. I'll wait for Ryzen 5000 with RDNA2 for gaming laptop next year. Every single game released in PS5 and XBOX will be 100% compliant with RDNA2 PC.
Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59Asus made AMD flagship and zephyrus earn a lot of money for them. OEM which is not able to adapt die like dinosaurs.Ryzens have scalable TDP so its easy to fit it to existing model. Laptop designs are nearly same as their predecesors, OEM can adapt in few weeks.
It would take an idiot to say "Let's go with AMD for our flagships!" when Intel was still shitting on AMD hard.
And no, now that AMD CPUs have proven themselves, the manufacturers can't just decide to release a high-end laptop with an AMD CPU, because this takes months of planning / designing before it can be released.
Quote from: toven on April 22, 2020, 23:02:22Exactly. RDNA2 beated Nvidia so Sony and Microsoft choose RDNA2 for their consoles.RDNA2 will be everywhere. Also AMD invest in crossplatform API - Vulkan is future. It provide very good enviroment for game developers, and much beter performance.
No need to upgrade to 8750H and 2080 with new name this year anyway. I'll wait for Ryzen 5000 with RDNA2 for gaming laptop next year. Every single game released in PS5 and XBOX will be 100% compliant with RDNA2 PC.
Quote from: A on April 22, 2020, 22:04:56Ofc not. But there is still so many people, who dont get it. All Mobile RTX cards are fail. in GTA5 (high setting 1920x1080-most common laptop screen resolution) 2080 mobile have 126.4 fPS, 1660Ti have 130.35. Check it here on notebookchat, if someone dont believe.
Is there a reason for a 4900H and RTX2080 on a gaming laptop?
The true high power gaming laptops use desktop GPUs. And as we have seen, 3950X uses less power than Intel's Comet Lake H while offering double the performance.
Quote from: Aegis on April 23, 2020, 05:54:55right, oems are just like average consumers. no idea about cpu and its speed or other parameters until launch.
Another dude who has no idea how business works. Just read this before you comment:
Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59incompetence then? ok.
This is such a cringe theory
Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59you must be joking. they made the laptop already, all planned designed and tested, after that they said, lets give the worse gpu to the fastest cpu. and worse screen.
And no, now that AMD CPUs have proven themselves, the manufacturers can't just decide to release a high-end laptop with an AMD CPU, because this takes months of planning / designing before it can be released.
Quote from: ariliquin on April 23, 2020, 04:36:39Yes, it's hard to say how many buyers are not very well informed. There are many people who have only bought Intel for the last 10 years and had no AMD experience or they had bad experience. Enthusiasts are typically a small minority. So enthusiasts embracing AMD doesn't mean the market does. And it's a fact that AMD has a much smaller marketing budget than Intel. And Intel has a lot of weight they can put to use on the manufacturing side. We might not like it but that's how it works. I mean, this wouldn't be the only example of laptop manufacturers making stupid choices from enthusiast's perspective.
I think the main reason they did not bank on AMD was a perception that the market wants Intel for their high End devices, and AMD is perceived as the "cheap" option only. This has proven incorrect as the market has embraced the AMD due to its performance and technology. Who isn't interested in 7nm or the prospect of 5nm laptops? Some of us consumers understand what the reduction in NM will do to fix heat, throttling and improve battery and performance because we want to run intensive tasks regularly, has anyone seen an XPS review lately and just how terrible their performance is with Intel?
Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59That's not really a problem. As long as they believe the next generation is going to be worth it. I don't know whether AMD already has early engineering samples for partners, but you should be able to at least get confirmation whether it's going to be a drop in replacement, what are going to be the big differences (like PCIe 4.0) etc. allowing you to start development. Yes, development takes time and it's much faster to update an existing Intel system. But engineering samples of 4000 series were surely available for them to check the performance. Months ahead of launch. I can only imagine they supply evaluation kits like it's common in electronics industry. If Asus could deliver G14, surely others could as well. Of course, Asus probably got engineering help from AMD and this is going to be a limited resource, slowing down the adoption.
But what if they decided to do just that? Then 2021 will be around and the next gen will be imminent and few would still be interested in AMD 4000.
Quoteno Ryzen 4000 and RTX 2070 or RTX 2080 laptops anytime soonIt would be fine. AMD must prove itself for OEM manufacturers.
Quote from: Aastra on April 23, 2020, 05:30:06
Even after amd ryzen 4000 series proved their worth. Yet they dont have plan to release a high end one forget high end even a good mid end with full blown rtx 2060 be enough yet none is available this clearly shows their bias. They dont care about providing best to consumers. In the end its all about money.
Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59
It makes sense why few manufacturers would NOT want to gamble hard on AMD. Remember the 3750H? The best AMD had to offer last gen and it was still around 17% worse than the 9300H in games?
It would take an idiot to say "Let's go with AMD for our flagships!" when Intel was still shitting on AMD hard.
And no, now that AMD CPUs have proven themselves, the manufacturers can't just decide to release a high-end laptop with an AMD CPU, because this takes months of planning / designing before it can be released.
But what if they decided to do just that? Then 2021 will be around and the next gen will be imminent and few would still be interested in AMD 4000.
Can you guys use your brain instead of criticizing manufacturers, notebookcheck, and now even AMD? Lmfao.