AMD need to hit a home run with 5700m and at least get to 2070 performance and due to the R
TDP being lower on the 4800 they should be able to give the GPU plenty of wattage.
The Eluktroboosted 2060 with the AMD is almost neck and neck with a 2080 max q, check the Matrix RP-17 review from ownordisown.

Who cares? Why should someone buy gaming laptop? For the majority of people are Ryzen laptops without dedicated GPU enough.

Laptops were never designed for gaming. Its not possible due to cooling and battery life.

If I want gaming PC, I make my own desktop. Go f*** yourself Intel and Nvidia.

Quote from: ariliquin on April 23, 2020, 04:36:39
We can blame manufacturers, they had the samples from both Intel and AMD and they could have chosen to provide an AMD high end option based on the results I am sure they obtained for themselves in testing and the design differences.

I think the main reason they did not bank on AMD was a perception that the market wants Intel for their high End devices, and AMD is perceived as the "cheap" option only. This has proven incorrect as the market has embraced the AMD due to its performance and technology. Who isn't interested in 7nm or the prospect of 5nm laptops? Some of us consumers understand what the reduction in NM will do to fix heat, throttling and improve battery and performance because we want to run intensive tasks regularly, has anyone seen an XPS review lately and just how terrible their performance is with Intel?

We are waiting for a high end AMD option. We are not going to buy Intel. We are not going to sacrifice screen quality or other quality elements to get into AMD. There is a market now and manufacturers should address that now. They are not getting my sale until they do, I'm looking at you Razer, Dell, Lenovo..

Actually its much worse than you think.

The OEM's are highly addicted to Intel's MDF kickbacks for new product development. Intel throws millions of dollars in OEM's pockets routinely to build with their latest products. AMD has a much smaller "war chest" than Intel, so it can't outpace their spending.

Your getting a disproportionate amount of Intel solutions flooding the market because they buying up OEM capacity, so to speak. Only consumer outrage can change this behavior.

Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59
It would take an idiot to say "Let's go with AMD for our flagships!" when Intel was still shitting on AMD hard.
And no, now that AMD CPUs have proven themselves, the manufacturers can't just decide to release a high-end laptop with an AMD CPU, because this takes months of planning / designing before it can be released.

Asus made AMD flagship and zephyrus earn a lot of money for them. OEM which is not able to adapt die like dinosaurs.Ryzens have scalable TDP so its easy to fit it to existing model. Laptop designs are nearly same as their predecesors, OEM can adapt in few weeks.

Quote from: toven on April 22, 2020, 23:02:22
No need to upgrade to 8750H and 2080 with new name this year anyway. I'll wait for Ryzen 5000 with   RDNA2 for gaming laptop next year. Every single game released in PS5 and XBOX will be 100% compliant with RDNA2 PC.

Exactly. RDNA2 beated Nvidia so Sony and Microsoft choose RDNA2 for their consoles.RDNA2 will be everywhere. Also AMD invest in crossplatform API - Vulkan is future. It provide very good enviroment for game developers, and much beter performance.

Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59
It would take an idiot to say "Let's go with AMD for our flagships!" when Intel was still shitting on AMD hard.
And no, now that AMD CPUs have proven themselves, the manufacturers can't just decide to release a high-end laptop with an AMD CPU, because this takes months of planning / designing before it can be released.

Asus made AMD flagship and zephyrus earn a lot of money for them. OEM which is not able to adapt die like dinosaurs.Ryzens have scalable TDP so its easy to fit it to existing model. Laptop designs are nearly same as their predecesors, OEM can adapt in few weeks.

Quote from: toven on April 22, 2020, 23:02:22
No need to upgrade to 8750H and 2080 with new name this year anyway. I'll wait for Ryzen 5000 with   RDNA2 for gaming laptop next year. Every single game released in PS5 and XBOX will be 100% compliant with RDNA2 PC.

Exactly. RDNA2 beated Nvidia so Sony and Microsoft choose RDNA2 for their consoles.RDNA2 will be everywhere. Also AMD invest in crossplatform API - Vulkan is future. It provide very good enviroment for game developers, and much beter performance.

Quote from: A on April 22, 2020, 22:04:56
Is there a reason for a 4900H and RTX2080 on a gaming laptop?

The true high power gaming laptops use desktop GPUs. And as we have seen, 3950X uses less power than Intel's Comet Lake H while offering double the performance.

Ofc not. But there is still so many people, who dont get it. All Mobile RTX cards are fail. in GTA5 (high setting 1920x1080-most common laptop screen resolution) 2080 mobile have 126.4 fPS,  1660Ti have 130.35. Check it here on notebookchat, if someone dont believe.
2060 mobile have only 960 MHz, compared to 1455MHz on 1660TI (51%faster).1660TI have  1536  shaders, so to be equal on this frequency u need card with 2328 shaders. 2060 have only 1920 shaders, that card is pure marketing garbage. RTX2070 have 2304 shaders and 1215 MHz, so teoreticaly its beter , but 115 TDP!  its insane and it take few minutes to throttle and cut Mhz by 30%.  Its enough to cheat benchmarks, but in reality its just siting idle. NVidia did very good job with optimization of 1660ti for laptops. exactly  on choke point of Turing architecture.

Quote from: Aegis on April 23, 2020, 05:54:55
Another dude who has no idea how business works. Just read this before you comment:

right, oems are just like average consumers. no idea about cpu and its speed or other parameters until launch.
they got their hands on the cpu samples during designing process.
what a joke is this "must prove" idea.

Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59
This is such a cringe theory

incompetence then? ok.

Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59
And no, now that AMD CPUs have proven themselves, the manufacturers can't just decide to release a high-end laptop with an AMD CPU, because this takes months of planning / designing before it can be released.

you must be joking. they made the laptop already, all planned designed and tested, after that they said, lets give the worse gpu to the fastest cpu. and worse screen.
let me ask you a question
nowadays intel cpus has proven themselves as second tier products, should we expect worse screens and other options for intel next year?

I'll consider anyone who doesn't use Ryzen in laptops as mid-range makers then. It goes both ways.

Quote from: ariliquin on April 23, 2020, 04:36:39
I think the main reason they did not bank on AMD was a perception that the market wants Intel for their high End devices, and AMD is perceived as the "cheap" option only. This has proven incorrect as the market has embraced the AMD due to its performance and technology. Who isn't interested in 7nm or the prospect of 5nm laptops? Some of us consumers understand what the reduction in NM will do to fix heat, throttling and improve battery and performance because we want to run intensive tasks regularly, has anyone seen an XPS review lately and just how terrible their performance is with Intel?

Yes, it's hard to say how many buyers are not very well informed. There are many people who have only bought Intel for the last 10 years and had no AMD experience or they had bad experience. Enthusiasts are typically a small minority. So enthusiasts embracing AMD doesn't mean the market does. And it's a fact that AMD has a much smaller marketing budget than Intel. And Intel has a lot of weight they can put to use on the manufacturing side. We might not like it but that's how it works. I mean, this wouldn't be the only example of laptop manufacturers making stupid choices from enthusiast's perspective.

Problems of XPS are Dell's fault. That's the price for making the laptops thinner and thinner. Another example of enthusiast vs. average consumer. They do it despite the components being "too hot" for it. That's entirely their choice. They could be mad at Intel for not supplying what they want but it's their choice to release a product with such properties. Who cares as long as people pay. They believe making it thinner is going to make it sell. They don't think squeezing extra 200 points in sustained Cinebench R15 is going to make it sell. If Cinebench interests them, then only the first run.

Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59
But what if they decided to do just that? Then 2021 will be around and the next gen will be imminent and few would still be interested in AMD 4000.

That's not really a problem. As long as they believe the next generation is going to be worth it. I don't know whether AMD already has early engineering samples for partners, but you should be able to at least get confirmation whether it's going to be a drop in replacement, what are going to be the big differences (like PCIe 4.0) etc. allowing you to start development. Yes, development takes time and it's much faster to update an existing Intel system. But engineering samples of 4000 series were surely available for them to check the performance. Months ahead of launch. I can only imagine they supply evaluation kits like it's common in electronics industry. If Asus could deliver G14, surely others could as well. Of course, Asus probably got engineering help from AMD and this is going to be a limited resource, slowing down the adoption.

Quoteno Ryzen 4000 and RTX 2070 or RTX 2080 laptops anytime soon

It would be fine. AMD must prove itself for OEM manufacturers.

But it's worse than that. It looks like AMD laptops restricted by 5500m and 1650 Ti options. G14 is the only exception, that model has special treatment because of 4900HS special deal.

Quote from: Aastra on April 23, 2020, 05:30:06
Even after amd ryzen 4000 series proved their worth. Yet they dont have plan to release a high end one forget high end even a good mid end with full blown rtx 2060 be enough yet none is available this clearly shows their bias. They dont care about providing best to consumers. In the end its all about money.

Another dude who has no idea how business works. Just read this before you comment:

Quote from: Alex544 on April 22, 2020, 22:22:59
It makes sense why few manufacturers would NOT want to gamble hard on AMD. Remember the 3750H? The best AMD had to offer last gen and it was still around 17% worse than the 9300H in games?
It would take an idiot to say "Let's go with AMD for our flagships!" when Intel was still shitting on AMD hard.
And no, now that AMD CPUs have proven themselves, the manufacturers can't just decide to release a high-end laptop with an AMD CPU, because this takes months of planning / designing before it can be released.
But what if they decided to do just that? Then 2021 will be around and the next gen will be imminent and few would still be interested in AMD 4000.

Can you guys use your brain instead of criticizing manufacturers, notebookcheck, and now even AMD? Lmfao.

Even after amd ryzen 4000 series proved their worth. Yet they dont have plan to release a high end one forget high end even a good mid end with full blown rtx 2060 be enough yet none is available this clearly shows their bias. They dont care about providing best to consumers. In the end its all about money.

Ironically this will lead to a number of mid-range devices beating the top-end devices for many tasks and metrics in upcoming reviews, especially for Battery Life, Heat and Performance. This is going to be embarrassing for some manufacturers. I doubt Dell has sufficiently fixed their issues in the new XPS.

We can blame manufacturers, they had the samples from both Intel and AMD and they could have chosen to provide an AMD high end option based on the results I am sure they obtained for themselves in testing and the design differences.

I think the main reason they did not bank on AMD was a perception that the market wants Intel for their high End devices, and AMD is perceived as the "cheap" option only. This has proven incorrect as the market has embraced the AMD due to its performance and technology. Who isn't interested in 7nm or the prospect of 5nm laptops? Some of us consumers understand what the reduction in NM will do to fix heat, throttling and improve battery and performance because we want to run intensive tasks regularly, has anyone seen an XPS review lately and just how terrible their performance is with Intel?

We are waiting for a high end AMD option. We are not going to buy Intel. We are not going to sacrifice screen quality or other quality elements to get into AMD. There is a market now and manufacturers should address that now. They are not getting my sale until they do, I'm looking at you Razer, Dell, Lenovo..