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Posted by Worgarthe

- Yesterday at 16:16:54

Quote from: "AI+" but only 32 GB RAM? on Yesterday at 09:42:00This laptop doesn't really deserve any AI in its product name:
AI, both for traning and for the endconsumer/inferencing...

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So, in short for those who don't know: You can build a desktop PC for a fraction of the price and it will be upgradable, repairable, have a much faster GPU, run quieter, cooler and therefore probably also last longer.

I really have no idea why you keep spamming the exact same comment under every existing article around here. What you do is pretty much constantly complaining about every ball on the world not being suitable for bowling. "This ball doesn't really deserve any ball in its product name..."

40+ TOPS NPU is necessary to be branded as "Copilot+" and/or "AI+." It is comparable to "Ultrabook" back in the day.

QuoteWhat is a Copilot+ PC and what sets them apart?

Copilot+ PCs represent a cutting-edge category of AI-enhanced Windows 11 devices. In addition to the CPU and GPU available on conventional computers, Copilot+ PCs feature high performance neural processing units (NPUs). These NPUs—capable of executing over 40 trillion operations per second (TOPS)—are designed to handle demanding AI workloads efficiently, enabling high-performance features such as real-time language translations. By handling certain AI tasks, the NPU frees up the CPU and GPU to focus on other operations, resulting in improved overall system performance and can deliver longer battery life 2 due to optimized power distribution.

40+ TOPS is here in this MSI. It's a dumb marketing name, but 40+ TOPS is certainly here. This is a thin and light laptop, not a dedicated local LLM machine (which you, for some reason, expect every existing laptop to be). That's all.

Btw, how long can you use that desktop PC you mentioned on battery? How quickly can you pack it in your backpack and go outside?

Posted by "AI+" but only 32 GB RAM?

- Yesterday at 09:42:00

This laptop doesn't really deserve any AI in its product name:
AI, both for traning and for the endconsumer/inferencing requires these 3 things:
1. Memory size, to fit a decently capable LLM.
32 GB RAM may not enough for the new SOTA LLM, especially in agentic workflows: Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-UD-Q4_K_M:

Quote from: reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1sq94qx/is_anyone_getting_real_coding_work_done_with.. I've come to the conclusion that (1) 32768 is the biggest context I can get away with in an adequately smart model, and (2) it just ain't enough.

2. Memory speed, also known as bandwidth, relevant for token generation (output) speed.
The memory speed is 109298 MB/s, this is in line with any dual-channel/128-bit/2*64-bit, PC/laptop, running at 8533 MT/s (like 99% of all PCs/laptops are dual-channel/128-bit/2*64-bit). So, this is nothing special, except only new devices are going to run at 8000 MT/s or above, like e.g. a Strix Halo' 256-bit at 8000 MT/s, which is 2x the bandwidth of what this offers. 109298 MB/s is not bad, but it's only 32 GB RAM and no GPU, so no additional much faster VRAM to offload to.

3. GPU compute, relevant for prompt processing (input) speed.
Prompt processing: The larger the input, the faster the GPU you'd need, especially for agentic workflows. The prompt processing speed is based on GPU' FPS number in games/3D benchmarks. Here, the iGPU scores 6178 Points in 2560x1440 Time Spy Graphics. For comparison, a 5070 desktop: 3dmark.com/search: "Average score: 20330".

(The number of CPU threads doesn't matter for running AI (aka inferencing) (4 threads pretty much tops-out a dual-channel PC))

So, in short for those who don't know: You can build a desktop PC for a fraction of the price and it will be upgradable, repairable, have a much faster GPU, run quieter, cooler and therefore probably also last longer.

Just for comparison -- Total memory capacity times speed score calculation:
This: 4369 = 32 GB RAM * 136.5 GB/s [=128-bit * 8533MT/s / 1000 / 8].
Strix Halo: 32768 = 128 GB * 256 GB/s [=256-bit * 8000MT/s / 1000 / 8].

3dmark.com/search:
Arc B390 (tho it scores a lower 6178 score in this laptop): "Average score: 7251".
Strix Halo' Radeon 8060S iGPU: "Average score: 10014".

QuoteCPU temperature warmer than average

When I read this I though it is going to be an INTEL CPU and scrolling down, it surely is xd.

Posted by Redaktion

- May 07, 2026, 22:54:22

The latest Prestige 16 introduces significant changes to the series including Intel Panther Lake, OLED for all configurations, and a brand new look. However, a few key features have been lost or reduced from last year's design.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Prestige-16-AI-C3MTG-Review-New-MSI-logo-is-looking-sleek.1287148.0.html