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Posted by Storytime
 - Today at 14:34:18
Think I'm going to wait a few more gens, for the rich to subsidise this further and the company can reduce prices more with economics of scale as they get more popular.

JustJoshTech have commented that while the build quality has improved it's still not up there with Lenovo's most premium designs. Which at this price range, one kind of expects.

Quote from: But(t) on April 22, 2026, 09:50:17Do they explain, why AMDone is treated as a 3rd world citizen?

Likely when they were designing the SoC / APU many years ago, it didn't make the cut in terms of features that needed to be prioritised and implemented. Or didn't simply didn't matchup with the timelines / deadlines and budget constraints they had, if I had to guess.

Remember AMD being pretty pissed that they had to implement a minimum 40-50+ TOP NPU as it was a requirement for Microsoft in order to secure contracts with them. And then in the end it was barely even used much by windows 11 anyway. Perhaps if they didn't waste all that valuable development time on this they could have worked on improving memory support(?) who knows..

I don't think there is a simple fix to this and it's a limitation of hardware (no firmware update can resolve this).

Someone can correct me on this, as I forget where I read this now, but didn't AMD recently announce LPCAMM2 support for one of their upcoming massive Data centre CDNA APUs? Like none of their existing ones support it yet, they literally had to revise even their enterprise hardware to support it.

Quote from: But(t) on April 22, 2026, 09:50:17not releasing FSR4 INT8

Recently, an ex-AMD employee who was like one of the lead engineers who worked on FSR for RDNA2/3/4 mentioned on discord that's there's apparently been an exodus of AMD talent, with regards to the core team members that worked on FSR. Many of them leaving to Nvidia and Intel.

So it's not looking good considering AMDs FSR team has always been tiny. I suppose this explains valve pretty much doing the entire heavy lifting work in porting FSR4 to RDNA2/3 in Linux now. And pretty much why Sony started working on PSSR by themselves too.
Posted by wrobelda
 - Today at 11:47:32
Quote from: daniel_i on April 23, 2026, 04:57:10Regarding AMD using LPCAMM2, the CEO himself said they tried to work with AMD on this, but they refused

Unless you're talking about something else, this was in the context of the Desktop and the regular SODIMM. AMD didn't refuse, they just said it was impossible. This was before LPCAMM2 was actually ready available, plus a single LPCAMM2 module still doesn't offer enough bandwidth to match the four-channel AI Max 395+. The motherboard would require two such modules and, considering they need to be placed very close to the die, I ma guessing it was impossible to engineer, anyway.
Posted by daniel_i
 - April 23, 2026, 05:00:17
Quote from: Swizzy on April 21, 2026, 21:41:12Hope they survive the price increases. With some ram and an ssd you're looking at £1550 minimum.
They have committed to not increasing prices on any preorders, which is very nice. Honestly their standard configuration is a good value compared to even some OEMs.
Posted by daniel_i
 - April 23, 2026, 04:57:10
Quote from: But(t) on April 22, 2026, 09:50:17This: 13.5 inch display at 1.4 kg.
MacBook Air 13: 13.6 inch display at 1.2 kg and the Air is cheaper too, due to economies of scale.
Yes, the Air is much less/not repairable, but, let's be honest, you are not going to need a repair anyway.

QuoteThe Intel version relies on modern LPCAMM2 RAM.
Do they explain, why AMDone is treated as a 3rd world citizen? I guess it doesn't matter since the APU has the outdated RDNA3.5 iGPU architecture:
Imagine getting this outdated RDNA3.5 APU that can't do modern, DLSS-like, hardware ML upscaling, like RDNA4 can. Way to waste your money.

The leaked FSR4 INT8 looks so much better on RDNA3 / RDNA3.5, than what RDNA3 / RDNA3.5 officially support, but AMD is quiet about it (they are not the good guys (anymore/if they ever were)):
youtube.com/watch?v=VPMOjdvmHMk "FSR4 on RDNA3 on Windows!!! How To Guide and Side by Sides Tested on RX 7800 XT"
youtube.com/watch?v=yB0qmTCzrmI "AMD Tried To Hide This From You - FSR 4 INT8 on RDNA 3 & 2 Tested"

youtube.com/watch?v=v70p700D94U And here Owen shows that even AMD's /r/radeon hardcore crowd is starting to get pissed off on AMD for also not releasing FSR4 INT8 (and righteously so, of course).

Bandwidth:
Air 15 M5: 153.6 GB/s = 9600 MT/s * 128-bit / 1000 / 8.
AMDone version of this: 89.6 GB/s = 5600 MT/s * 128-bit / 1000 / 8.
The Air is 71% faster.

Unfortunately, the Air goes only up to 32 GB RAM. APPLE, it's time to fix this next year, as we all know that higher memory densities are available: 64 GB per RAM stick are available since early 2025 and a RAM stick uses 64 bits, so the Air could theoretically have 128 GB RAM/unified memory. With a higher memory bandwidth in 2027 using LPDDR6 (LPDDR5X is kinda maxed out), more RAM, a faster iGPU would also justify having more RAM. Let's say 25% higher memory bandwidth next year: 32 GB * 1.25 = 40 GB -> 48 GB for the Air M6 hopefully in 2027 (expecting more would be unrealistic as it would cannibalize the MacBook Pro sales).

Regarding AMD using LPCAMM2, the CEO himself said they tried to work with AMD on this, but they refused. Very irritating as a long time AMD fan! But oh well, my money will go to the company that makes good choices, regardless.

As for the Apple comparison - You are underestimating the repair portion of these devices; that is literally their market appeal. Comparing them to one of the least repairable devices is apples to oranges. And as for the value proposition, again it doesn't matter, no one is really cross shopping these devices. No one who wants to use custom Linux distros is using a MBP unless they have to, but they DO want it's hardware quality. That is their goal with this product.
I say this as some with a MBA M4 with 24GB of RAM.
Posted by big_deally
 - April 22, 2026, 15:56:04
That's really nice one! Maybe next time also better front firing speakers? I'd buy it even though I don't really need 5th laptop in a house, but not with those RAM prices...
Posted by But(t)
 - April 22, 2026, 09:50:17
This: 13.5 inch display at 1.4 kg.
MacBook Air 13: 13.6 inch display at 1.2 kg and the Air is cheaper too, due to economies of scale.
Yes, the Air is much less/not repairable, but, let's be honest, you are not going to need a repair anyway.

QuoteThe Intel version relies on modern LPCAMM2 RAM.
Do they explain, why AMDone is treated as a 3rd world citizen? I guess it doesn't matter since the APU has the outdated RDNA3.5 iGPU architecture:
Imagine getting this outdated RDNA3.5 APU that can't do modern, DLSS-like, hardware ML upscaling, like RDNA4 can. Way to waste your money.

The leaked FSR4 INT8 looks so much better on RDNA3 / RDNA3.5, than what RDNA3 / RDNA3.5 officially support, but AMD is quiet about it (they are not the good guys (anymore/if they ever were)):
youtube.com/watch?v=VPMOjdvmHMk "FSR4 on RDNA3 on Windows!!! How To Guide and Side by Sides Tested on RX 7800 XT"
youtube.com/watch?v=yB0qmTCzrmI "AMD Tried To Hide This From You - FSR 4 INT8 on RDNA 3 & 2 Tested"

youtube.com/watch?v=v70p700D94U And here Owen shows that even AMD's /r/radeon hardcore crowd is starting to get pissed off on AMD for also not releasing FSR4 INT8 (and righteously so, of course).

Bandwidth:
Air 15 M5: 153.6 GB/s = 9600 MT/s * 128-bit / 1000 / 8.
AMDone version of this: 89.6 GB/s = 5600 MT/s * 128-bit / 1000 / 8.
The Air is 71% faster.

Unfortunately, the Air goes only up to 32 GB RAM. APPLE, it's time to fix this next year, as we all know that higher memory densities are available: 64 GB per RAM stick are available since early 2025 and a RAM stick uses 64 bits, so the Air could theoretically have 128 GB RAM/unified memory. With a higher memory bandwidth in 2027 using LPDDR6 (LPDDR5X is kinda maxed out), more RAM, a faster iGPU would also justify having more RAM. Let's say 25% higher memory bandwidth next year: 32 GB * 1.25 = 40 GB -> 48 GB for the Air M6 hopefully in 2027 (expecting more would be unrealistic as it would cannibalize the MacBook Pro sales).
Posted by T. Fletcher
 - April 22, 2026, 03:33:36
Not quite my tempo. But they're getting close and I like that.
Posted by Worgarthe
 - April 21, 2026, 22:22:13
Quite an amazing laptop (also great presentation by Framework). I definitely don't need it, but I totally want it.
Posted by Swizzy
 - April 21, 2026, 21:41:12
Hope they survive the price increases. With some ram and an ssd you're looking at £1550 minimum.
Posted by Redaktion
 - April 21, 2026, 20:35:11
The Framework Laptop 13 Pro is just as modular as the older Framework Laptop 13, but the new model promises higher performance and a much longer battery life in a stylish metal casing.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Framework-Laptop-13-Pro-promises-more-battery-life-performance-and-metal.1280024.0.html