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Posted by Benjamin Herzig
 - Today at 18:51:01
Quote from: benchmarks dont lie on Today at 17:06:29
Quote from: Benjamin Herzig on Today at 15:27:03The predecessors of these machines were usually equipped with Arrow Lake U aka Meteor Lake Refresh - Panther Lake is a huge upgrade over those, whether it has the B390 or not.
Not really: notebookcheck.net/Intel-Panther-Lake-Core-Ultra-X9-388H-performance-analysis-Outpaces-Arrow-Lake-and-exceeds-Zen-5-in-efficiency.1212583.0.html
INTEL still needs to improve on their CPU node (they renamed 10nm to 7nm) and CPU arch. Some desktop CPU was remade on a superior TSMC node, but it didn't improve on any metrics, which shows that their CPU architecture also needs an improvement, not only their node.
Nothing in that article you linked disproves what I said. Arrow Lake U CPUs weren't even a part of the comparison in that article, for good reason - they can't compete.
Posted by dg
 - Today at 17:56:19
Intel pulling another fast one on the consumer
Posted by benchmarks dont lie
 - Today at 17:06:29
Quote from: Benjamin Herzig on Today at 15:27:03The predecessors of these machines were usually equipped with Arrow Lake U aka Meteor Lake Refresh - Panther Lake is a huge upgrade over those, whether it has the B390 or not.
Not really: notebookcheck.net/Intel-Panther-Lake-Core-Ultra-X9-388H-performance-analysis-Outpaces-Arrow-Lake-and-exceeds-Zen-5-in-efficiency.1212583.0.html
INTEL still needs to improve on their CPU node (they renamed 10nm to 7nm) and CPU arch. Some desktop CPU was remade on a superior TSMC node, but it didn't improve on any metrics, which shows that their CPU architecture also needs an improvement, not only their node.
Posted by Benjamin Herzig
 - Today at 15:27:03
The predecessors of these machines were usually equipped with Arrow Lake U aka Meteor Lake Refresh - Panther Lake is a huge upgrade over those, whether it has the B390 or not.
Posted by unfortunately no B390
 - Today at 14:48:33
Quote from: Hegarmin on Today at 13:41:54
Quote from: unfortunately no B390 on Today at 11:53:17
QuoteIntel Core Ultra 5 325 to the Core Ultra 7 355.
Panther Lake' CPU cores didn't improve much or at all vs its predecessor and the only interesting thing about Panther Lake is its Arc B390 iGPU (12 Xe-cores), but unfortunately even the mentioned Ultra 7 355 only has 4 Xe-cores.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_Lake_(microprocessor)

The point of the CPU part in general is the Arrow Lake performance combined with Lunar Lake efficiency. there might not be an increase in raw performance, but who cares? Arrow Lake is already very strong. strong enough for any consumer, that's for sure. combine that with efficiency and you have a winning chip.
No obvious CPU power efficiency improvement over the predecessor (the B390 iGPU is a good enough upgrade for me, so I consider Panther Lake a success if the Arc B390 is the iGPU) (counting power limited power efficiency improvements is not fair if the predecessor wasn't power limited):
notebookcheck.net/Intel-Panther-Lake-Core-Ultra-X9-388H-performance-analysis-Outpaces-Arrow-Lake-and-exceeds-Zen-5-in-efficiency.1212583.0.html
Posted by Hegarmin
 - Today at 13:41:54
Quote from: unfortunately no B390 on Today at 11:53:17
QuoteIntel Core Ultra 5 325 to the Core Ultra 7 355.
Panther Lake' CPU cores didn't improve much or at all vs its predecessor and the only interesting thing about Panther Lake is its Arc B390 iGPU (12 Xe-cores), but unfortunately even the mentioned Ultra 7 355 only has 4 Xe-cores.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_Lake_(microprocessor)

The point of the CPU part in general is the Arrow Lake performance combined with Lunar Lake efficiency. there might not be an increase in raw performance, but who cares? Arrow Lake is already very strong. strong enough for any consumer, that's for sure. combine that with efficiency and you have a winning chip.
Posted by unfortunately no B390
 - Today at 11:53:17
QuoteIntel Core Ultra 5 325 to the Core Ultra 7 355.
Panther Lake' CPU cores didn't improve much or at all vs its predecessor and the only interesting thing about Panther Lake is its Arc B390 iGPU (12 Xe-cores), but unfortunately even the mentioned Ultra 7 355 only has 4 Xe-cores.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_Lake_(microprocessor)
Posted by Redaktion
 - Today at 11:01:58
The hype about the new Panther Lake CPUs has been mostly about the more expensive variants. Lenovo has now started to turn their attention towards the lower priced models, expanding the price range of Panther Lake with more affordable models like the Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G9 IPL and ThinkBook 16 G9 IPL.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Expanding-Intel-Panther-Lake-to-a-lower-price-bracket-Lenovo-releases-new-ThinkBook-14-16-G9-IPL.1225897.0.html