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Posted by Mark Ghanz
 - May 07, 2025, 05:14:08
Quote from: :discordskullemoji: on April 30, 2025, 22:17:47
Quote from: Redaktion on April 30, 2025, 16:05:59Google now plans to fix this issue with the Pixel 10 series.

The fact that smaller Chinese OEMs have been trying to address this for literally decades..

As somebody from China I would say it's definitely not decades. Chinese OEMs release phones very very often since 2020 so it gives you an illusion of "decades" as new tech got applied frequently. At 2015 almost all of their phones were using LCD instead of OLED. The author is talking about high frequency PWM or DC-like dimming on OLED displays which I think it didn't become a focus until like 2021 where domestic OLED panel manufacturers flourishes. Prior to that Chinese OEMs uses tier-2 Samsung or LG panels that were by no means better than any of the big three's displays in terms of PWM dimming. Some did used BOE or Visionox panels but they had their own load of issues usually being Delta subpixel layout and high costs. That delta subpixel layout is primarily for circumventing the patented Pentile by Samsung and it yields even lower equivalent pixel density and worse color.

Quote from: :discordskullemoji: on April 30, 2025, 22:17:47But the big 3 are making too much money to actually care at all or pay attention to it until like 22 years later. It's only now that Chinese OEM phones are actually getting good both in software and hardware that the traditional giants are realising they might actually need to make a few changes for once.
I agree big 3 take too much money, but I think Google is still fairly avant garde comparing to the other two. Their Pixel 4/Pixel 4 XL equips 90Hz OLED display in the same year as Oneplus 7 Pro. Although Razer phone 1 was the first to put a high refresh rate display on phone but that thing was not mean't to be sold a lot.
Google then introduced Samsung modem into the US market and terminated Qualcomm's monopoly in 5G modems. Although Samsung modem is bad but considering Mediatek's modem wasn't ready for mmwave at that point I appreciate their courage. After a while they started to be the first to use new displays from samsung as illustrated by Pixel 8 Pro and Pixel 9 Pro (XL). And now there are rumors of them bring mediatek's latest modem into the States and be the first to apply high frequency PWM or DC dimming on OLED displays into the states, while the other two still does literally nothing. Not to mention them finally get their self-sourced SoC design squeezed into TSMC. As a die hard Android user with absolute zero iPhones since 2014, Google is the only OEM in the US that have a bit of Chinese spirit.
Posted by :discordskullemoji:
 - May 04, 2025, 22:50:54
Quote from: indy on May 04, 2025, 16:45:57Never had any eye issues/headaches on any devices.

It is possible that you're not sensitive to pwm then I guess. It's been said that it affects at least 10% of population and possibly more to some varying level or degree of discomfort.

Quote from: indy on May 04, 2025, 16:45:57If anything, I have turned down the brightness on my Samsung 55" OLED, as it physically hurts my eyes at anything beyond 60%.

That is interesting. I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I've been wanting to decrease the brightness, if anything I usually want more or as much as possible.

I wonder if there's any correlation between people who prefer less/more brightness vs pwm sensitivitiness..
Posted by indy
 - May 04, 2025, 16:45:57
Never had any eye issues/headaches on any devices. The game "Descent" in the 90s was the only thing to ever make me feel queasy, and that was understandable...

If anything, I have turned down the brightness on my Samsung 55" OLED, as it physically hurts my eyes at anything beyond 60%.
Posted by :discordskullemoji:
 - April 30, 2025, 22:17:47
Quote from: Redaktion on April 30, 2025, 16:05:59Google now plans to fix this issue with the Pixel 10 series.

Lmao.. it took them, what? Like 22 generations of nexus and pixel devices combined to finally acknowledge this as an actual issue? This is just proof that Google, apple and Samsung have a monopoly with nobody to challenge them.

The fact that smaller Chinese OEMs have been trying to address this for literally decades..

But the big 3 are making too much money to actually care at all or pay attention to it until like 22 years later. It's only now that Chinese OEM phones are actually getting good both in software and hardware that the traditional giants are realising they might actually need to make a few changes for once.

Almost had a change heart and was gonna go back to Pixel with 10 series but I think I will wait until they fully ditch exynos SoCs and you know, actually have a competently competitive in-house SoC for once, lol.
Posted by Redaktion
 - April 30, 2025, 16:05:59
The Pixel 9's display flickers at a frequency of 120 Hz due to Google's use of pulse-width modulation for brightness control. Such a low frequency may be perceptible, potentially causing headaches and eye strain in sensitive individuals. Google now plans to fix this issue with the Pixel 10 series.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Google-Pixel-10-Pro-may-get-long-overdue-display-upgrade-to-reduce-headaches-and-eye-strain.1007964.0.html