Quote from: Dewey on September 17, 2023, 20:49:225nm isn't really bleeding edge anymore either, it'll be basically soon be a 3 year old node by the time this device launches. 3nm is already here practically. But then again 4N (slightly more optimized 5nm), is already being used on H100 Ai accelerators and TSMC already have stated that they're having trouble meeting demand with wafer production. Also most 5nm/4N products are still kind of expensive, knowing Nintendo they'll most likely try to keep the device cost cheap with somewhat decent margins. So they might actually have to go a slightly older node. I recently heard tho, that 8nm samsung would actually be more expensive to produce in volume production for devices because it's so old now that it'd be cheaper going 5nm/4N. So yeah, really confused now, dunno what to believe anymore...
Quote from: Dewey on September 17, 2023, 20:49:22Pretty sure when Nvidia make an architecture they design for multiple nodes just in case as a backup plan and that it'd not be too difficult for a company of their size and resources to port it to another node.
Quote from: Ramsey on September 14, 2023, 22:16:43This does makes sense.
I don't see Nintendo going for a bleeding-edge process node, now less than ever with the manufacture and price constraints, when a 8nm can still provide a big boost from the OG Switch. They have demonstrated that hitting the right price is more important than the performance.
Quote from: WaitWhat on September 15, 2023, 14:03:54Ampere is based on Samsungs 8N node so of course the Switch chip will be fabbed on Samsung 8nm. Otherwise Nvidia would have to redesign the whole architecture to work on a different node.
Plus the node is dirt cheap by now which is exactly the price point Nintendo wants. And it's not like their games are so graphically demanding that the need the bleeding edge.
People should really use their brains for once before speculating about bs
Quote from: WaitWhat on September 15, 2023, 14:03:54Ampere is based on Samsungs 8N node so of course the Switch chip will be fabbed on Samsung 8nm. Otherwise Nvidia would have to redesign the whole architecture to work on a different node.knowing nintendo they will end up charging 500 dollars for some batshit insane reason, i remember when nintendo handhelds cost 99 dollars
Plus the node is dirt cheap by now which is exactly the price point Nintendo wants. And it's not like their games are so graphically demanding that the need the bleeding edge.
People should really use their brains for once before speculating about bs
Quote from: thadec on September 15, 2023, 16:59:50This is a non-issue. The Steam Deck, Playstation 5 and XBox Series X use the TSMC 7nm node. The PlayStation 4 Pro used the TSMC 16nm node. So this is proof that the Switch 2 is going to perform in between the PS4 Pro and the PS 5.you obviously have no idea how this s*** works, just because the node is similar to ps5 it dosent mean its going to perform the same as ps5,the ps5 runs at 200 watts, the switch runs at 15 watts max, if the switch 2 runs at 15 watts with 8nm its not getting anywhere close to ps5 lmao, it might be able to get close to ps4 pro but even thats a push, power draw is everything and the lower the die size the lower the power
Quote from: WaitWhat on September 15, 2023, 14:03:54Ampere is based on Samsungs 8N node so of course the Switch chip will be fabbed on Samsung 8nm. Otherwise Nvidia would have to redesign the whole architecture to work on a different node.tegra x1 was based on maxwell which was 28nm yet it was 20/16nm so
Plus the node is dirt cheap by now which is exactly the price point Nintendo wants. And it's not like their games are so graphically demanding that the need the bleeding edge.
People should really use their brains for once before speculating about bs
Quote from: thadec on September 15, 2023, 16:59:50Also, the Switch 2 merely needs to be powerful enough to play games in 4K and support modern ports. Honestly the Switch 1's CPU and GPU were powerful enough to play 4K games. The Nvidia Shield TV and Nvidia Shield tablets way back in 2015 were able to play Android games in 4K, though often via upscaling. The reason why the Switch couldn't had more to do with Nintendo's software - the 3DS operating system - than the hardware. Nintendo was going to use a customized version of Android for the Switch but changed their minds, and had to get it out as quickly as possible so they didn't have time to create a new OS. This time Nintendo and Nvidia will have had plenty of time to write an OS that takes full advantage of the hardware. It would be neat if it were Android, but it will likely be Linux. Ubuntu would work the best because it natively supports the Nvidia drivers and the ARM desktop version is "pretty good."I fully agree with that the switch just needs to be powerful enough.