Quote from: Vaidyanathan on January 26, 2022, 12:10:49Quote from: _MT_ on January 26, 2022, 10:48:49That's a very good observation. Desktop variants of these could be really interesting for those not wanting a 12900K.
think 12900HK would make for a very interesting desktop processor.
Quote from: _MT_ on January 26, 2022, 10:48:49That's a very good observation. Desktop variants of these could be really interesting for those not wanting a 12900K.
think 12900HK would make for a very interesting desktop processor.
Quote from: Jakemaster on January 26, 2022, 04:56:06Thank you Jakemaster! Glad you found it useful :)
Excellent summary analysis in this article. The best of the three I've read today. Keep up the good work!
Quote from: well on January 26, 2022, 01:02:05Historically, we have used power consumption from the wall data while doing a Cinebench R15 run on an external monitor. So, it is not possible to change for just one SoC right away. I agree this is a limitation of the test. Having said that a CB15 multi render is not a huge deal for the M1 Max with 10 CPU cores even if you account for the Rosetta overhead. You can see that by comparing the deltas between the M1 Max and the 12900HK between CB15 Multi and CB23 Multi runs. They are not way off.
The performance per watt measurement is not done correctly.
Why show such metric in cinebench r15 where it's not running natively on Apple Silicon?
The measurement should be in cinebench r23 with all chips running natively.
Quote from: ArsLoginName on January 26, 2022, 02:14:21Didn't get you. Where have I proclaimed any efficiency crown? I only stated it's good in performance and needs more work in terms of efficiency.
You dropped the ball on this one. You can't proclaim 'efficiency crown' for Alder Lake and such when you don't benchmark for it. Anandtech did and found "this top-of-the-line" completely non-thermally restrained desktop replacement processor performed at 3494 points in Cinebench R20 at 30 W. Your own database shows an *average* score of 3303 for a Ryzen 5800U. That's a 5.8% difference between these processors with 3 of the Ryzen 5800u scores in 13" notebook chassis. I read here daily for the honest truth and not sensationalism of other sites. Stay objective.
Quote from: Rob Stan on January 25, 2022, 19:01:41Clearly, that's not true. Not only it makes no sense from physics standpoint, data in the article clearly shows otherwise. Just contrast HK with K with almost half the efficiency. It's pretty much guaranteed that efficiency will drop as frequency goes up beyond 3 GHz. I doubt they have managed to push the sweet spot that high. Traditionally, it would be more like 2 GHz. The further you go, the worse it gets.
Unlike Cezanne, both TGL and ADL scale up performance nearly linearly with more voltage and watts, so performance will also drop drastically at lower TDP which means they barely have a sweet spot of performance to power to begin with.
Quote from: Rob Stan on January 25, 2022, 18:50:04Take a look at the linked review for detailed power measurements.
That being said, all of these smorgasbord results in the charts are extremely confusing, if not downright misleading given they don't give any info on power setting (and no info on power measurements).
Quote from: A on January 25, 2022, 17:39:27
Power efficiency needs to be tested at the same wattage. Alder lake will be the most efficient chip out there at 45-60W power ranges.