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tldr amd got raped by intel in gaming while winning by a bit in cpu benchemarks

Quote from: lmao on March 08, 2024, 19:46:52tldr amd got raped by intel in gaming while winning by a bit in cpu benchemarks

Arc or 780M is the battle of the midgets, glad Intel was finally able to win anything with Arc.

Not sure why this should matter to anyone anyway, nobody is going to buy this notebook for gaming.

Quote from: Julian M on March 08, 2024, 21:26:20Arc or 780M is the battle of the midgets

imo igpus are the future of gaming, like 5 years ago no one could say they will ever be used for gaming at all, and in 2024 we have all those handhelds and business laptops that actually can game while maintaining sane power consumption. it's great. the harder these guys pound each the faster and better igpus we will get.

Quote from: Julian M on March 08, 2024, 21:26:20nobody is going to buy this notebook for gaming

everyone plays something from time to time

Really impressed to see such a strong showing, at launch meteorlake was not competitive and was losing to the 780M and zen4(both cpu and gpu), looks like with the polished drivers/Bios, meteorlake is competitive with zen4 and besting it in most categories. Good showing Intel

QuoteThe stress test using the Furmark and Prime95 tools tipped the processor over the 100 °C mark and occasionally higher. In The Witcher 3, we only recorded an average of almost 70 °C.

Honestly the temperatures are really bad. My last laptop had similar temperatures and the thermal paste dried out quickly as f... Had to repaste every 3 months.

Precisely because of such high temperatures (which seem to be common with the new Meteor Lake chips), it is absurd that laptops and mini-pcs still only get cheap cooling solutions. Just make it the f... bigger and build in a decent cooling fan!

Quote from: Bagad on March 09, 2024, 12:25:07

QuoteThe stress test using the Furmark and Prime95 tools tipped the processor over the 100 °C mark and occasionally higher. In The Witcher 3, we only recorded an average of almost 70 °C.

Honestly the temperatures are really bad.

That's an excellent temp for gaming, 70°C is nothing. Furmark and Prime95 are far from realistic workloads, they are stress tests and you can't get those temps anywhere but there, not even in most demanding games. Chassis highest recorded with Flir was 43°C.

Quote from: Bagad on March 09, 2024, 12:25:07My last laptop had similar temperatures and the thermal paste dried out quickly as f... Had to repaste every 3 months.

Honeywell PTM7950 thermal pad(s) or Arctic Cooling MX-4 thermal paste are what you looking for. Not cheap low-quality paste.

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Edit: The main reason why is this laptop to be avoided is, well are, its hinges. All Yogas suffer from this where their hinges and bottom bezel/lid just explode as they are glued in: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lenovo/comments/14gkknk/lenovo_yoga_7i_broke/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Lenovo/comments/14gkknk/lenovo_yoga_7i_broke/)

ALL YOGAS. No exceptions (which is why they don't use that name for ThinkPad 2in1s anymore, because of bad rep, and because it rarely ever happens with ThinkPads as they use screws instead of glue). Lenovo will replace it free of charge under warranty but it will unavoidably happen again. And it's happening for many years now, still no change, this is a post from 4 years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lenovo/comments/gwt870/lenovo_yoga_hinges_are_defective_and_break/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Lenovo/comments/gwt870/lenovo_yoga_hinges_are_defective_and_break/)

Quote from: Neenyah on March 09, 2024, 12:33:1270°C is nothing

even 100c is nothing actually if cpu is smart enough to stay around it with throttling.
manufacturers are mostly concerned about keeping case at <~45-47c so user doesn't say it is hot to the touch. probably that's even their only metric.

Quote from: Neenyah on March 09, 2024, 12:33:12That's an excellent temp for gaming, 70°C is nothing. Furmark and Prime95 are far from realistic workloads, they are stress tests and you can't get those temps anywhere but there, not even in most demanding games.

Of course the 70°C are nothing. My mistake for quoting that.

I obviously meant the 107°C under load. This is awful.

And I disagree that this is an "unrealistic" case: Whenever I was gaming on my old laptop it produced the same stress as the so-called "unrealistic stress tests" from Notebookcheck. Thus I also had temperatures of 95-105°C, and it made the thermal paste dry out quickly.

So you're telling me Arctic Cooling MX 4 is better? I was using Arctic Silver 5... But I'll try that MX4 then, although it sounds strange given the lower number...

Quote from: Bagad on March 09, 2024, 15:55:08So you're telling me Arctic Cooling MX 4 is better? I was using Arctic Silver 5... But I'll try that MX4 then, although it sounds strange given the lower number...

i'd say your problem with thermal paste is not 100c
arctic ones are rated for continuous use up to 140-150c
might be a bad batch or counterfeit paste
does it actually start overheating or you consider +2C a 'time to repaste' signal

Quote from: lmao on March 09, 2024, 16:55:50arctic ones are rated for continuous use up to 140-150c
might be a bad batch or counterfeit paste
does it actually start overheating or you consider +2C a 'time to repaste' signal

When I put the thermal paste on, temperatures go to 85°C maximum in gaming. But after like 3-4 months, maybe spending 60 hours gaming, temperatures continuously rise and then reach 120°C and computer emergency shutdown.

It must be because the chip gets sooo hot, that it kills the thermal paste - within very few months.

And that's why I am concerned when I already see temperatures of 107°C on Meteor Lake already. A mere 15 degrees away from thermal shutdown. And multiple tech channels on youtube have shown similar temperatures, so it's not a single case with the Yoga. I'm a bit frustrated by that.

Quote from: Bagad on March 09, 2024, 17:54:16maybe spending 60 hours gaming

that doesn't sound normal, i'd say try a different paste/batch and a trusty supplier (official shop preferable)

Quote from: Bagad on March 09, 2024, 17:54:16And that's why I am concerned when I already see temperatures of 107°C on Meteor Lake already

meh, i'd say its fine, they use throttling now to let cpus into 100-110 zone. apple does it for 4 years already, no signs of mass repasting or any trouble.

Quote from: lmao on March 09, 2024, 18:34:23

Quote from: Bagad on March 09, 2024, 17:54:16And that's why I am concerned when I already see temperatures of 107°C on Meteor Lake already

meh, i'd say its fine, they use throttling now to let cpus into 100-110 zone. apple does it for 4 years already, no signs of mass repasting or any trouble.

Yeah, it will "survive", as did my old laptop after dozens of emergency shutdowns. But it's clearly subpar. And to avoid throttling you'll probably have to repaste every couple of months.

The same Yoga laptop tested with AMD and 780m (also having 55W PL1) reaches 78°C under stress... that's almost 30 degrees below. I mean wtf...??

I wouldn't care that much about the heat, if these computers (laptops, mini pcs) would get proper cooling solutions. Because Meteor Lake obviously requires something better than the usual cheap coolers.

In fact I'm more annoyed by the fact, that companies still don't do that. That they still cheap out on coolers in laptops, or use the same minimalistic coolers in NUCs, instead of making the case  2 cm larger and enabling it for bigger coolers or even low profile desktop coolers.

Quote from: Bagad on March 10, 2024, 11:44:28I wouldn't care that much about the heat, if these computers (laptops, mini pcs) would get proper cooling solutions. Because Meteor Lake obviously requires something better than the usual cheap coolers.

it's not about cooling solution, it's the new paradigm to keep noise down - let silicon heat up then start cooling.
it shouldn't be affecting thermal paste, try a different one, make sure it's not counterfeit.

I own this laptop, and I have the suspicion that I've got faulty system. From tests, the battery life is much larger (>3x) than mine.
I tried everything (reinstalling drivers, firmware, system, ...) and I cannot get the same battery life.
The best thing for me would be to reproduce the test, and have the number to compare. What settings should I use ? 60Hz/120/auto ? Battery saver on/off ? In case of web browsing, what browser?

Any more suggestions with my issue ? I checked HWinfo, and my cpu just draws 7-10W on idle, which should me more like 4W ...

Quote from: geogjr2 on March 11, 2024, 17:42:34I own this laptop, and I have the suspicion that I've got faulty system. From tests, the battery life is much larger (>3x) than mine.

My guess is that you have set a higher display brightness than in the review.

Quote from: articleIn our Wi-Fi test at 150 cd/m² reduced brightness

I've this laptop for like 3 days. For such a cheap laptop not entirely bad. Comming from Matebook X Pro there are a few issues for me personally. However I could understand someone else would not find this to be a problem at all.

- High pitched whining sound comming from the fans. The fans are often working even on low and moderate load. They are not loud per se, but the specific frequency drives me crazy. Very bothersome to the point I'm already looking for another laptop. That said, I've also tested the bit older AMD version which was even worse. I've also got a Yoga 7 Slim from like 3 years ago, which is much much better, you can only see the air passing.
- Altough the display is nice and clear, the maximum brightness is limiting and it's definitely a big step down from Huawei's Matebook.
- This is the only laptop out of 4 laptops with USB-C PD I've recently tested which is not able to power a small external display using a single cable.

All in all, I would NOT buy it again.

I have this laptop, everything has been fine except the low brightness setting on the keyboard backlight. When it's set to auto or high it's fine, but when set to low, every key press dims the whole keyboard while it's pressed. Anyone else have this issue or is mine broken? I would send it to warranty but it's sold out everywhere and i doubt they can fix it. I only noticed this after a bios update, noy sure if it was there before.

I don't believe in the author's data about PL1=55W, because the result in CBR15 does not correlate with other results of this SoC(CPU). It should be significantly lower.

I just bought it. I had a slim 7 with 4700u. Unfortunately this review missed to indicate that the new keyboard with long 1.5mm key travel is very stiff, buttons are hard to press and I'm having so many missed. The typing experience compared to my previous slim is significantly worse. I think I'll give it back for another slim, hoping for the best. Also the 3k display makes NO sense at all and it's only giving a lot of headaches while used in a multimonitor environment where this is the only one needing 175% scaling. There are many disadvantages in multimonitor setup, be warned!!!

Quote from: NikoB on March 21, 2024, 12:24:45I don't believe in the author's data about PL1=55W, .... It should be significantly lower.

Multiple reviews (including outside of Notebookcheck) have shown that Meteor Lake generally performs bad on low base power, but better on higher base power. It really needs its 50-65 watts base power to unfold its performance.

That's also why it always loses in low power benchmarks against AMD. But at 50+ watts it seems to catch up. It seems to scale better upwards than AMD.

It is what it is... maybe an architectural thing. Not sure that can be changed anymore by drivers.

Quote from: desss on April 14, 2024, 13:31:58Also the 3k display makes NO sense at all and it's only giving a lot of headaches while used in a multimonitor environment where this is the only one needing 175% scaling.

I have already written many times that developers are behaving like idiots, because only 4k is as comfortable as possible and is hardware compatible with 4k and fhd video with perfect pixel sharpness. And at the same time it has a scaling of 200%. Moreover, if anyone wants to play 4K, it can easily be switched to fhd with a decrease in the load on the gpu by exactly 4 times, with a sharp increase in fps.

It is clearly visible that the vile Lenovo marketers are deliberately forcing Lenovo engineers (or rather black slaves) to do similar nonsense, as with idiotic 2.5k screens that are also completely incompatible with 4k and fhd video.

For 5 years now, all laptop screens have been required to be only 4K and nothing else. With the same ppi as on smartphones, especially considering that Google deliberately spoils the eyesight of all people who use Chrome-like browsers for Windows with non-disabled cloudy text black and white anti-aliasing, which I have proven many times.

To prevent your eyes from getting tired and to avoid endless harmful refocusing from the text to its pixel structure (which should not be visible at all) due to the slightest movement of the head closer to the screen and back, ppi should be no lower than 220-230. And this is only possible with 4k screens at 15.6"+.

At the same time, 4k monitors are not enough and there is a minimum of only 8k. But to the shame of the entire IT industry, there are still no discrete cards or igpus with real support for DP2.0+ in UHBR20 (80Gbps) mode, in which you can get 8k resolution in lossless mode.

These are sad facts when the capitalist greed of the owners of large corporations deliberately slows down progress on planet Earth and spoils the health and vision of billions of people.

Quote from: desss on April 14, 2024, 13:31:58Also the 3k display makes NO sense at all and it's only giving a lot of headaches while used in a multimonitor environment where this is the only one needing 175% scaling. There are many disadvantages in multimonitor setup, be warned!!!

175% would give you 1755.42x1097.14 which is plain weird. What's wrong with 150% (2048x1280) or 200%?

3072x1920 at 200% scaling is 1536x960 with beautiful extra sharpness and clarity, basically the same as 14" MacBooks at Default "Looks like 1512x982" (with their 3024x1964 panels), and this here is also a 14" display. That is about perfect for a 14" screen.

How are there disadvantages in a multimonitor setup? Don't use custom scaling (yes, it sucks with multimonitor setup) and use any scaling you want/like/wish on your external monitor(s) - there is no any issue even if you use 200% (1536x960) on your laptop, 100% (2560x1440) on your 1440p monitor and 200% (1920x1080) on your another 4K monitor, so three display with completely different scalings and resolutions.