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I just hope they improve the build quality, especially given the price. I got the 12th gen zenbook and despite being all metal it creeks and cracks like a cheap Walmart laptop. Coming from an xps 13 this thing was more expensive yet feels like a budget laptop in comparison.

Quote from: Kairoku on February 21, 2024, 18:26:35I just hope they improve the build quality, especially given the price. I got the 12th gen zenbook and despite being all metal it creeks and cracks like a cheap Walmart laptop. Coming from an xps 13 this thing was more expensive yet feels like a budget laptop in comparison.

Quote from: Kairoku on February 21, 2024, 18:26:35I just hope they improve the build quality, especially given the price. I got the 12th gen zenbook and despite being all metal it creeks and cracks like a cheap Walmart laptop. Coming from an xps 13 this thing was more expensive yet feels like a budget laptop in comparison.

I totaly agree, I have older XPS 13 and compare to this Zenobok its a more valuable. How did Zenbook got the score 90 about the built quality?  The screen is moving every time when I hit to the keyboard....

Yeah I got the Zenbook 14X and the body creaks from everyhere. How can tbey rate it so high for the build quality ?

Body build have been greatly improved. The same with screen stability. I have ux3405 and ux3402, there is massive improvement in every aspect. In my opinion, this laptop is underrated. It's a great windows alternative to macbook air.

Quote from: AB on February 26, 2024, 07:58:51It's a great windows alternative to macbook air.

windows alternative for macbook air is macbook air running windows arm in parallels lol

Quote from: lmao on February 26, 2024, 08:51:18

Quote from: AB on February 26, 2024, 07:58:51It's a great windows alternative to macbook air.

windows alternative for macbook air is macbook air running windows arm in parallels lol

Good luck with trying to run windows server VM on your macbook air (or any non-arm windows VM). The same with using 160 MHz wifi. I am not saying that air is bad machine because it's actually very good laptop. For many reasons, I prefer windows. Every time I buy new laptop, I ask myself- windows or mac pro? I am going for windows, it's a choice of person who spent over 20 years in IT industry. Other people may have different choices- I respect other users' needs/preferences.

Quote from: AB on February 26, 2024, 14:15:05or any non-arm windows VM

i kinda said it has to be windows arm.
it is not a question of choice or personal preference, this windows laptop with active cooling is not a competition to macbook air, they are for different audiences. so best macbook air is macbook air.

as for using it for dev, i don't see any point in sticking to windows anymore. docker and even sql server can run on macos. jetbrains ides easily replace visual studio. vscode is cross-platform. so both os get you covered. whatever.

Quote from: lmao on February 26, 2024, 14:29:25

Quote from: AB on February 26, 2024, 14:15:05or any non-arm windows VM

i kinda said it has to be windows arm.
it is not a question of choice or personal preference, this windows laptop with active cooling is not a competition to macbook air, they are for different audiences. so best macbook air is macbook air.

as for using it for dev, i don't see any point in sticking to windows anymore. docker and even sql server can run on macos. jetbrains ides easily replace visual studio. vscode is cross-platform. so both os get you covered. whatever.

It wasn't coincident I used word "alternative". Some people stick to windows because they like it, others because of software requirements. Mac air it's some sort of quality standard even if has some weakness. But it cannot be alternative to the full version of windows, if it is needed. Speaking on arm in windows- there is a lot of work to do to make it works properly and it will not happen overnight... 
Going back to Zenbook 14- I have model with 185H, believe or not, it is fanless/ almost fanless while using whisper mode, with very good performance... It's quiet, fast, great spec, long battery life and you have high performance on demand when you need it. 

Quote from: AB on February 26, 2024, 15:24:13Mac air it's some sort of quality standard even if has some weakness.

it's not about standards, mac air is for people who value different things than users of this laptop

Quote from: AB on February 26, 2024, 15:24:13using whisper mode

'whisper mode' is just low performance mode with unknown benchmark results, can we just stop pretending intel chips can run in passively cooled laptops with adequate performance

hold on where did you get this zenbook with 185h

in the UK, currently only in stock on amazon for £1349

Quote from: AB on February 26, 2024, 16:24:23in the UK, currently only in stock on amazon for £1349

cool!
have you by chance got time to do a geekbench 6.2 in 'whisper mode'? they usually don't test these things in reviews and i'm really interested to see performance figures in max gutted mode

In whisper mode, single 2445 multi 12734, you should be able to see it on geekbench browser possibly tomorrow (you can filter results typing in intel core ultra 9 ux3405ma). I couldn't even notice fan sitting next to laptop.

On performance mode, it did 2462 and 13658 respectively. Results on standard are similar to performance mode.

ouch i've expected more from 185h
lower than m3pro, around 2021 m1max

two and a half year lag

Please try to pass reality check and stick to facts... I agree that in whisper mode it performs like M1 max (looking at geekbench only), but it's only confirmation that this machine is doing very well. In performance mode, it leaves behind M1 max, the latest M3 entry level (it has great single score but fails on multi core), m2 pro 10 core, able to perform similar to m2 pro 12 core... I would say it is very good result.
Let's do price check. In the UK, 14-inch M3 8 core with upgraded RAM to 24 GB (zen 14 has 32) costs £2300. Mac Air with 24GB Ram and 1TB (I don't want to go in details with ssd pcie version, wifi card etc)- £1949. Can you see the difference? Apple CPUs are leaders in performance to watt rating but not doing great in terms of performance to £ (or $ if you prefer).
In case of 185h, I do not know what is real potential of this cpu. The form factor of zenbook and cooling solution are setting up limitation. But it's very well built and great performing laptop anyway, the same like in case of your air.
I have no doubt that your Air is an amazing laptop, but zenbook 14 outperforms it even using, as you called it, "just low performance mode". As I said- this is very good air alternative, you like it or not.

Quote from: AB on February 27, 2024, 00:02:48In performance mode, it leaves behind M1 max, the latest M3 entry level

it's top of the line intel low-power laptop-dedicated cpu, right? it barely manages to beat 2.5 year old top of the line laptop low-power arm cpu, that's all what i need to see actually - top cpu to top cpu comparison gives us 2.5 year tech lag. and you don't need any whisper modes to actually work most of the time with fans off on m1max.
m3 is entry-level, if you feel better 185H is barely beating cpu that can run without cooling at all, wellp...

Quote from: AB on February 27, 2024, 00:02:48Can you see the difference?

i don't really care, better laptop is worth more, it's always like that.
btw you could get refurbished m1max 32/1 16 inch for just $1699.99 not too long ago, but i see it's sold already, no wonder.

Quote from: AB on February 26, 2024, 18:06:12On performance mode, it did 2462 and 13658 respectively.

also i don't see it really "leaving behind" m1max, which is 2450 12800
m2pro is 2600 12300
m3 3000 11500
m3pro 3100 15000, m3max 3100 21000 <- this what really "leaving behind" is ))

singlecore is more important than multicore, so i'd say in everyday use 185h m1max and m3 will be even give or take, depending on software optimization.
also remember there's that wide ram bus m1max has.

so basically yeah, 185h as TOP laptop cpu is lagging 2.5 years behind, hence the price

M3pro and M3 max are amazing CPUs with no competition so far...

but average educated person with basic maths skill can see the difference between 13600 and 12800...

Live your dream mate and enjoy your powerful air...

Quote from: AB on February 27, 2024, 16:56:31but average educated person with basic maths skill can see the difference between 13600 and 12800...

you are again focusing on multicore number, despite one system has unified ram and wider ram bus.
they will be the same in everyday use.

Quote from: AB on February 27, 2024, 16:56:31M3pro and M3 max are amazing CPUs with no competition so far...

Surprise. No CPU competition for Macs because Apple is the monopolist for them.

Different thinking: What is the price per storage?

Yet another approach: M3s do not run in x64 mainboards.

And I have yet to be convinced that M1 is not more efficient than M3.

O wait: AMAZING. Is this PR word still used?

For what applications and criteria? Depending on softwares and preferences for criteria (such as price per performance, long battery life and passively cooled), x64 systems are worse, equal or better than M3 systems.

Quote from: RobertJasiek on February 27, 2024, 19:51:39Surprise. No CPU competition for Macs because Apple is the monopolist for them.

whats the point of this low-effort comment? couldn't walk past discussion about apple? don't know performance is architecture and platform agnostic and doesn't matter what os it is running?

poor hater saw someone praising apple, immediately got butthurt and gave birth to another nonsensical comment lmao

Quote from: RobertJasiek on February 27, 2024, 19:51:39Surprise. No CPU competition for Macs because Apple is the monopolist for them.

As a competition I mean Intel and AMD. But there is Snapdragon on the way, things may look diferently in the nearest future... And this SoC will be used by multi vendors, it might be hit for the apple.
If you think I am advocating for Apple you are completly wrong. Incompatibility with x64 architecture stopped me from buying Macbook. This does not stop me from saying apple laptops are very good products (even if crazy expensive), just not form me.

Quote from: AB on February 27, 2024, 21:40:04But there is Snapdragon on the way

just the fact they had to use only p-cores to reach sensible benchmark numbers is a red flag for being doa.
it will not beat efficiency of anything in real use (not 100%-all-core-load benchmarks, but real use) without e-cores.

Something is wrong with stated power consumption or battery runtimes.

If it is at 6.1W minimum in idle, then how it gets to 16:50h in video playback from 75Wh battery?

That would be 4.46W.

Asus takes less power playing video than minimum when idle?

I just bought a variant of this same Zenbook laptop for my son as an early graduation present.
The variant that I bought was different only in the display and RAM.

My laptop came with a 1200p diplay (still OLED) and 16 GB DDR5 instead of 32GB RAM.

First I will say this variant came and an extremely competitive price of $799. So this laptop punches well above it's price class. The Core Ultra 7 is pretty amazing. You still have the typical performance drop when on battery but the performance while on battery is pretty amazing. It's not MacBook M3 Pro amazing, but also this laptop costs less than 1/2 what a similarly configured MacBook Air 15" costs.

Before I started looking at any performance benchmarks or battery life I update all the Windows, Intel drivers an ASUS BIOS firmware and software with latest updates at this time. (this will make a huge difference, for example the pre-installed BIOS was from last December)

The Geekbench 6 score I got while plugged into the AC adapter was 2404(SC) and 13250 (multi).
This compares better than an Apple M3. This is also just a hair slower than my Desktop Core i5 13500 which draws more than triple the power.

I also did a the Geekbench 6 OpenCL Compute test of the GPU and got 34342 on that. Really not too bad for integrated graphics. Not a lot slower than a mobile RTX 3050 that I have in my personal laptop.

I haven't had this long enough to play any games or do any programming tasks on it. (It is my son's computer after all) but I did a quick test of battery life. I played the now famous Costa Rica in 4K video on YouTube continuously while on battery. Anyway, after playing for 2 hours the battery dropped from 100% to 85%. Extrapolating that usage out to 100% of battery, I could have run that test for 13 hours before the battery died.

Really I'm impressed with this laptop. I don't understand why people pay so much more for a MacBook. This little ZenBook is very well equipped for an excellent price.

Quote from: Louis D on April 19, 2024, 03:33:02after playing for 2 hours the battery dropped from 100% to 85%. Extrapolating that usage out to 100% of battery, I could have run that test for 13 hours before the battery died.

Thank you for your tests and information but one cannot simply extrapolate battery life because, on some devices, such values are not linear. One must run the battery empty to know whether it is linear indeed.