The mystery is finally solved, as a new leak has revealed almost all details about the new Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano. The upcoming ThinkPad flagship will feature Intel Tiger-Lake CPUs, a extremely lightweight chassis that weighs less than 1 kg - and a 13 inch 16:10 screen. Seemingly, the new ThinkPad laptop is made to compete with Dell's XPS 13 9300.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leak-Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Nano-with-a-16-10-screen-Intel-Tiger-Lake-weighs-less-than-1-kg.481319.0.html
We want AMD -_-
I don't think we are going to see AMD in an Intel Project Athena laptop, unfortunately.
Quote from: amdfan on July 14, 2020, 17:08:04
We want AMD -_-
AMD needs to move its a** and do something.
This laptop, just so you know is made with a big contribution from Intel, so if AMD wants similar products they need to put their a** at work and design these sort of machines.
Stop crying like woosies cause Intel is working harder and invested A LOT of money, time and engineering resources to create these products, not the OEMs.
Read about project Athena and you'll understand how far away from reality with your stupid we want amd comment you really are.
What AMD was able to do is some 14inch laptops that weigh 1.5kg and run hot like crazy or the better example, Dell G5 which clearly is built with AMD involvement and you can see the result. Thick, hot, loud and shitty battery life.
Quote from: LHPSU on July 14, 2020, 17:53:40You find me a 9W AMD CPU.
There are some in the Ryzen Embedded line, but why is that even relevant? The specs of X1 Nano clearly state a 15W CPU, so why must AMD outperform Intel by that much?
Ah ha, because TGL has vPro.
Too few ports but otherwise impressive looking package.
Quote from: S.Yu on July 14, 2020, 18:36:28
Ah ha, because TGL has vPro.
Too few ports but otherwise impressive looking package.
Ryzen Pro not only has a vPro equivalent (AMD DASH), but also features full RAM encryption (not just in the SGX enclave) and even has ECC memory support built into the silicon (while in Intel you'll need a Xeon).
Hurr durr ryzen this ryzen that, wtf is up with neckbeards these days. Who gives a F about the CPU. That's not the bottleneck. If at all, it's the thermal throttling. Get an ARM then and get a life!
Quote from: fdsasdas on July 14, 2020, 17:49:28
Quote from: amdfan on July 14, 2020, 17:08:04
We want AMD -_-
AMD needs to move its a** and do something.
This laptop, just so you know is made with a big contribution from Intel, so if AMD wants similar products they need to put their a** at work and design these sort of machines.
Stop crying like woosies cause Intel is working harder and invested A LOT of money, time and engineering resources to create these products, not the OEMs.
Read about project Athena and you'll understand how far away from reality with your stupid we want amd comment you really are.
What AMD was able to do is some 14inch laptops that weigh 1.5kg and run hot like crazy or the better example, Dell G5 which clearly is built with AMD involvement and you can see the result. Thick, hot, loud and shitty battery life.
Totally agree. AMD fanboys always ask for handouts. Remember when they were mad at OEMs for not including Thunderbolt in more AMD laptops without knowing that thunderbolt is an Intel innovation. They should be glad that Intel is allowing everyone including AMD to use it in the first place. Intel even donated the TB3 to the latest USB4 standard to help the industry adaption. On the otherhand AMD took the open source HyperTransport, did some tweaking and made proprietary vendor-locked Infinity Fabric out of it. Pathetic!
Quote from: Nemo7 on July 14, 2020, 22:23:20
Remember when they were mad at OEMs for not including Thunderbolt in more AMD laptops without knowing that thunderbolt is an Intel innovation. They should be glad that Intel is allowing everyone including AMD to use it in the first place. Intel even donated the TB3 to the latest USB4 standard to help the industry adaption.
TB3 is a vulnerability-riddled mess - just like Intel CPUs.
Speculative execution flaws go back to first Pentiums. They were criticized back in 1995, yet Intel did nothing to address the problem all those years until it bombed in 2018. One could say Intel betrayed their customers.
While I have no big love for AMD, they provide the most reasonable alternative to flawed Intel products at this point. From security standpoint, current AMD CPUs are designed better. For starters, they support full memory encryption unlike Intel, whose CPUs even in 2020 encrypt small enclave of memory at best, via SGX - which itself is a vulnerability-ridden mess.
You may not care about security of your machines. Great that it works for you. For some people, and especially institutions, security does matter a lot.
says <999kg on the slide lol.
on a more serious note though, really wonder how the thermals will be. I've never been convinced that anything thin and light can have good thermals
Intel shills out in force to defend their obsolete products.
Quote from: 123 on July 15, 2020, 00:36:12
Quote from: Nemo7 on July 14, 2020, 22:23:20
Remember when they were mad at OEMs for not including Thunderbolt in more AMD laptops without knowing that thunderbolt is an Intel innovation. They should be glad that Intel is allowing everyone including AMD to use it in the first place. Intel even donated the TB3 to the latest USB4 standard to help the industry adaption.
TB3 is a vulnerability-riddled mess - just like Intel CPUs.
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While I have no big love for AMD, they provide the most reasonable alternative to flawed Intel products at this point. From security standpoint, current AMD CPUs are designed better. For starters, they support full memory encryption unlike Intel, whose CPUs even in 2020 encrypt small enclave of memory at best, via SGX - which itself is a vulnerability-ridden mess.
FireWire suffered from the same vulnerability. It comes with RDMA. Great for performance, bad for security. It was a well known issue. Dealing with it costs money. And it wasn't seen as important enough. To customers. Because they ultimately pay for it. And the solution was a side effect - it was primarily about sandboxing virtual machines. It's a similar story with credit cards, for example. They only put out fires that actually burn them.
Full memory encryption is not the solution. You can find papers on that topic. And in particular Epyc's memory encryption was breached. Again, this feature is aimed at virtualization. I don't share hardware so I don't feel the heat of these problems as much.
Heading in the right direction. Looks promising.
Quote from: _MT_ on July 15, 2020, 13:22:33Full memory encryption is not the solution. You can find papers on that topic. And in particular Epyc's memory encryption was breached. Again, this feature is aimed at virtualization. I don't share hardware so I don't feel the heat of these problems as much.
Full memory encryption
*is* the solution, just not to the problem you are thinking about. It's a laptop, so it can easily get stolen or left behind. There are data security requirements (as in compliance) that are solved just by encrypting all data on the harddrive. The thing is, if your machine is in sleep mode instead of powered off, your data can still be stolen from RAM -- unless RAM is also fully encrypted, then it has the same security as the data on that encrypted harddrive.
The article states thunderbolt 3 x 2. The slide indicates the ports are thunderbolt 4. I presume the slide takes precedence and should be believed versus the article's statement.
Be careful the Lenovo ideapad I bought sounded great until it quit working 1 year and three months after I bought it. Barely used it. Now it's a 600 dollar paper weight. No one from Lenovo support offered any help to fix the power issue. It wont even power on when plugged in.
Where's our AMD option? Better security, performance and power consumption. If i'm paying for the best I want the best CPU.
To those saying Intel has generously shared their Thunderbolt, USB 4, just saying nothing generous about it. USB, just a tactic given the changing market.
I don't always buy new laptops, but when I do I want hardware vulnerabilities from Intel in it.
Quote from: Anonym on July 14, 2020, 19:24:10
Quote from: S.Yu on July 14, 2020, 18:36:28
Ah ha, because TGL has vPro.
Too few ports but otherwise impressive looking package.
Ryzen Pro not only has a vPro equivalent (AMD DASH), but also features full RAM encryption (not just in the SGX enclave) and even has ECC memory support built into the silicon (while in Intel you'll need a Xeon).
No I was actually referring to why they skipped ICL, it was likely because it didn't have vPro. No stance regarding the lack of AMD but I'm guessing AMD's not being helpful enough with their support.
Quote from: Anonym on July 15, 2020, 20:05:09
Full memory encryption *is* the solution, just not to the problem you are thinking about. It's a laptop, so it can easily get stolen or left behind. There are data security requirements (as in compliance) that are solved just by encrypting all data on the harddrive. The thing is, if your machine is in sleep mode instead of powered off, your data can still be stolen from RAM -- unless RAM is also fully encrypted, then it has the same security as the data on that encrypted harddrive.
I use hibernation. I thought it's well known that sleep is vulnerable. So, why would any sane and responsible person use sleep? But even that doesn't fully protect you. If you're relying on a post boot authentication and your boot drive is encrypted, then it has to be decrypted before you're authenticated. Oops. I don't even want to touch the topic of leaving laptops unattended in untrusted environments. How can you leave a laptop with sensitive data behind? Yes, mistakes happen but a mistake like this can ruin your career. It's one thing to be worried about it happening (which keeps you on your toes), it's another to actually screw up like this.
Encryption is interesting if you're worried about someone physically removing RAM modules and copying them. Which is not possible when they're soldered to motherboard. Because he's getting just the encrypted data and nothing else. If you're worried about DMA through a port (or rogue expansion card or bus analyzer), restricting access to memory is better as primary defense. If you can get through that, you might get through encryption as well. It's usually the implementation that gets attacked. Not the encryption itself.
Quote from: ariliquin on July 16, 2020, 12:14:33
Where's our AMD option? Better security, performance and power consumption. If i'm paying for the best I want the best CPU.
Why would Intel help design laptops with AMD processors? Ask AMD why they're not helping OEMs more with their laptop designs.
This laptop is everything I want. Now we'll have to see how much it costs. If it's a lot more expensive than a Renoir laptop despite being significantly slower (CPU-wise), then it'll look a lot less appealing.
Poor Intel. After more than five years, they finally produce a chip worth getting excited about, but AMD preemptively steals its thunder.
Quote from: Sinocelt on July 19, 2020, 08:37:26
This laptop is everything I want. Now we'll have to see how much it costs. If it's a lot more expensive than a Renoir laptop despite being significantly slower (CPU-wise), then it'll look a lot less appealing.
I can't link to it, but look for today's "First benchmarks: AMD Ryzen 4000 excels in the Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen 1" article.
Two versions of the same machine, with the Intel version being a lot slower and a lot more expensive than the AMD version.
That's not a good sign that the Tiger Lake Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano will be competitive.
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