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"It's too bad that there are still no AMD Ryzen options for the Dell XPS series. The Ryzen 7 4800H, for example, is able to handily outperform any mobile Intel 10th gen Core i7 model and even many Core i9 models as well. "
Yip, its the difference between me buying one and not. 42% improved multi-core performance is no joke. I would expect better thermals and battery also leading to better GPU options. Dell could have had a best seller on their hands if they had provided an AMD option.

Yes, this is non sense for Super thin laptops better use 4800u or 4900HS, eliminate dGPU then sell it for 900US.

Soo.... same performance as 9th gen laptops.

Quote from: Ariliquin on June 09, 2020, 09:45:46
"It's too bad that there are still no AMD Ryzen options for the Dell XPS series. The Ryzen 7 4800H, for example, is able to handily outperform any mobile Intel 10th gen Core i7 model and even many Core i9 models as well. "

Ryzen does not support Thunderbolt 3 so Dell will not install Ryzen to XPS.
There are roumors that USB 4 will support Thunderbolt 3.

Quote from: brain4storm on June 09, 2020, 12:21:16
There are roumors that USB 4 will support Thunderbolt 3.

USB 4 IS Thunderbolt 3. Not a rumor, but official specs.

This config is not available in UK, we have the i7 10750.
Will it be the same for an average user? or will it make a big difference

From your experience do you know when/if it will be available ?

The amount of AMD fanboys in here is really astonishing and sad. A cpu's performance is not determined only from its lithography, there are a lot of other factors that affect it. Intel with 14nm has almost the same single core performance (not sure about IPC) compared to Ryzen 4th gen 7nm. So you think that Dell would want to make amd ryzen laptops and pretty much stop selling their tb3 docks that are aimed that XPS/Precision owners? So just like that you think that they'll lose their own products over fulfilling fanboys' dreams? This is not like in dekstop motherboards where Asrock (and now others) 1 year ago made amd motherboards with tb3 support. These are laptop mobos, laptop manufacturers make their own mobos. There are still a lot of users that rely on tb3 for: docks, hubs, external nvme pciegen3x4 ssds, external gpus, etc. Also, there are compatibility issues with amd cpus (specifically ryzen cpus) in a lot of apps/usecases, f.e: because of my work, i cannot use amd ryzen cpus since work requires to use Android Studio's emulator which works (well, used to work) only on Intel cpus (search intel Haxm) and trying to run the emulator with cause a BSOD. There are workarounds but still not as good as having something that just works. There you have a specific usecase ( of mine) where i need intel cpus. Also, there's this QuickSync thing that PremierePro video editors use for faster export times, they simply cannot switch to a whole other platform since they need that feature. As much as i'd want a ryzen based Xps 15, that will probably never happen because even with the release of USB 4, there will probably be TB4 released by then which will have even higher bandwidth than 40GBps, like 60 or 80. Of course i'm just assuming that, maybe it will not happen but we will have to wait and see.

Not a good review this has clearly been positioned in benchmarks to avoid directly comparing it to a mbp, wtf?

Also this reviewer hasn't spent enough time with the unit to find all the issues that are widespread.

Notebook check has disappointment me, as I've just returned my XP's 9500 for the mbp 16 for major issues that three replacements didn't have.

DPC... Still a legend!

What about keyboard and the issue with touchpad?

Can't wait to see how the 17 inch version fares since that has vapor chamber cooling.

Soooo how did you guys manage to get astonishingly different results with the DPC latency compared to Just Josh?

Thank you for great in-depth reviews!
Especially like that you comment on emissions/noise.
I have noticed that you don´t comment on coil whine quite as often lately, as in this one. Could you please pick that up again? Can´t stand coil whine.
And also love when you comment the characteristics of the noise - high pitched/annoying/not disturbing etc.
All the best,
PodE

Quote from: splus on June 09, 2020, 12:26:05
USB 4 IS Thunderbolt 3. Not a rumor, but official specs.

It's a bit more complicated. Thunderbolt 3 served as the basis for USB4. But that doesn't mean USB4 is going to provide all the features of Thunderbolt. USB4 support doesn't necessarily mean support for TB3 eGPU for example. We get the improvement in speed thanks to TB3, but USB is still going to be USB.

More importantly, Intel opened up and gave the green light to manufacturers making their Thunderbolt controllers and even gave Thunderbolt certification to a motherboard with AMD chipset. That's really the important change as it now should be possible to build the necessary controllers and get the certification from Intel even for AMD systems.

Quote from: Lum Dërmaku on June 09, 2020, 13:23:32
As much as i'd want a ryzen based Xps 15, that will probably never happen because even with the release of USB 4, there will probably be TB4 released by then which will have even higher bandwidth than 40GBps, like 60 or 80. Of course i'm just assuming that, maybe it will not happen but we will have to wait and see.

TB4 is indeed coming. Should arrive with Tiger Lake. However, Intel only claimed 40 Gb/s bandwidth at CES 2020. That was strange and it's not really clear at the moment what exactly is going to be the improvement. And, as I already wrote, USB4 is not TB3. TB essentially exposes PCIe. USB is not PCIe. It's going to use the same physical layer (although I read there are going to be some tweaks, they're going to use different encoding) but USB is still going to be USB and do what USB does. It will not morph into PCIe. Which is what eGPUs use.

All the barriers for TB3 support on AMD platforms should be down. It is up to manufacturers. I think Ryzen XPS is going to happen as long as AMD keeps up the good work. Who knows, perhaps one is already in development for the 5000 series mobile Ryzen. Since this is one of their high-end lines, what really matters is how much they believe the market is going to buy into Ryzen. And we're not talking about enthusiasts here. But also how much engineering support AMD can offer and how much they believe AMD is not going to screw them (AMD has dropped the ball a few times). Not to mention their own engineering capacities. They're not going to drop Intel. So that means doing double the number of motherboards. It's a process. We might not like it but that's how it is. In the server world, we're also slowly getting the variety of systems.

Wow, these temperaturę s are terrible!

Quote from: Ariliquin on June 09, 2020, 09:45:46
"It's too bad that there are still no AMD Ryzen options for the Dell XPS series. The Ryzen 7 4800H, for example, is able to handily outperform any mobile Intel 10th gen Core i7 model and even many Core i9 models as well. "
Yip, its the difference between me buying one and not. 42% improved multi-core performance is no joke. I would expect better thermals and battery also leading to better GPU options. Dell could have had a best seller on their hands if they had provided an AMD option.

I'm not sure you can get all at once. This chassis just doesn't look that great so I'm not sure you'd be able to get all the performance. More, for sure; all of it, wouldn't hold my breath.

Totally not worth such money

How come Temperatures are in the con's column when all of the Macs run hotter (much hotter) and it's not a con for them ??

Like the XPS 13, can the touch model of this new XPS 15 be used in tent or tablet mode? I've been looking for this answer all over the internet but couldn't find it anywhere.

Quote from: Ankit on June 10, 2020, 02:16:17
Like the XPS 13, can the touch model of this new XPS 15 be used in tent or tablet mode? I've been looking for this answer all over the internet but couldn't find it anywhere.

No, this device does not support 360 degree hinges, and neither does the XPS 13 9300. The XPS 15 9500 does not even have pen support like the previous models did. if you would like a 2-in-1 XPS, the XPS 13 7390 2-in-1 came out late last year and was the first device with ice lake chips. Since it's a few months old, it's quite a bit cheaper than the newest clamshell XPS 13.

And just a tip, if you have questions about Dell in general, their subreddit (r/dell) is pretty popular and will help you out.

XPS 17 just came out and it has better specs than XPS 15, but $2600 for RTX 2060 and "forced" 4K option? Ouch

Quote from: Muhammad Anhar on June 10, 2020, 14:31:32
XPS 17 just came out and it has better specs than XPS 15, but $2600 for RTX 2060 and "forced" 4K option? Ouch

Correction: $2850. Still expensive.

1060 in 2020 is...in a word, bad. Why would anybody choose this over Blade 15 again?

Quote from: S.Yu on June 10, 2020, 22:05:08
1060 in 2020 is...in a word, bad. Why would anybody choose this over Blade 15 again?

One's a gaming laptop, one isn't
The XPS gets far better CPU power. Longer battery. Quieter fans under everyday tasks. Thinner, smaller, better speakers. Better keyboard and touchpad. Better configuration options.

Comparing apples to oranges, these are targeted to completely different people. The XPS can be considered more of a jack of all trades.

Quote from: RicoVIking9000 on June 11, 2020, 07:33:30

Quote from: S.Yu on June 10, 2020, 22:05:08
1060 in 2020 is...in a word, bad. Why would anybody choose this over Blade 15 again?

One's a gaming laptop, one isn't
The XPS gets far better CPU power. Longer battery. Quieter fans under everyday tasks. Thinner, smaller, better speakers. Better keyboard and touchpad. Better configuration options.

Comparing apples to oranges, these are targeted to completely different people. The XPS can be considered more of a jack of all trades.

Did you just make that up? You just made that up. Because this XPS is 0.2mm thicker than Blade 15, the CPU is ~20% faster in single core and ~10% faster in multicore, much smaller than the GPU difference and partly because the Blade 15s are a year old; "everyday tasks" will hardly get the fans spinning in either model while the XPS fans are actually a few dbs louder under load. Regarding the input devices, I find XPS 13 2N1's(not a gaming model) keyboard with very shallow feedback yet still perfectly usable, while the previous Razer Pro had a mechanical keyboard, so it's not an issue of whether it's a gaming laptop or not, there's also personal preference here as I can't get used to keys with really deep travel either. The trackpad on the Razer seems perfectly fine. You do correctly point out that the XPS has longer battery life and that it has surprisingly good speakers for a notebook, I thought Blade 15 had 99Wh but that may have been a previous model, now it only has 80. I suppose that battery life would be the strongest argument for the XPS, but it's not a feature known to fetch a premium, neither is an advantage in integrated speakers. In that sense, the XPS still seems overpriced for the specs.

I don't understand. Isn't dell claiming that the 4k display is covering 100% of adobergb ?

Quote from: S.Yu on June 12, 2020, 02:20:16

You're right, I think 16:10, small form factor, and the sleek design are the biggest selling points.

Quote from: Ark on June 22, 2020, 11:00:27
I don't understand. Isn't dell claiming that the 4k display is covering 100% of adobergb ?

Yes, it does actually get 100% RGB. The reason the benchmarks don't report it is because of the blue light filter Dell uses for the eye health of the end user; it throws off the reader

Great review as always! that will be nice if you can also review the XPS 17 9700 top model as its getting out there with doubts on the power adapter issue (not being able to output rated 130W) under heavy load.

Hi,

Do you think if we add thermal pads on the CPU and GPU and laptop cooling pads, we could use the full potential of the CPU?

Thanks for the help!

How is it possible that the XPS 15 gets a lower display rating than the MacBook Pro 16 while having higher brightness, better contrast ratio, higher resolution, no PWM, better colour gamut? Strange.

Hello,

I'm reading everywhere how great the screen is.
However I just received my 9700 units and the colours are horribly oversaturated.
I switched to sRGB in Dell's PremierColor app, but now the colors look somewhat faded and still off.

So when the article says the screen is well calibrated out of the box, I'm wondering which settings your chose.

We should not have to pay for a monitor calibration tool when the laptop costs between $2000 and $4000.

Anyone is having the same issues ?

I switched to AdobeRGB and it was perfect.

The reviews on the website started to smell fishy to me when I compared the reported noise for 3 laptops from different makers (Dell, Razer, Asus) and in different class - ultrabook, gaming and multimedia.
All of them apparently idle at 28 db and do 46-48 db at load.
I have 2 of those next to me and the gaming one (Razer) always spins the fans and if you google it you will find out that Razer doesn't switch the fans off. So how is it possible to record idle noise of 28 db if the fans are spinning at 3k rpm?
Also I can't hear the TV 3m away when the Razer is on unlike when the Asus is on.

all these years Dell has not learned that the minimum brightness on the Display cannot be 34.3 cd/m² , it is impossible to look in the Display in the evening without Dimmer for Display :((((
compare only to the MacBook Pro 15-16 or Thinkpad X1 Extreme, P1 or Zbook Studio, Elitebook 1050... and from Notebookcheck I am waiting for a reaction but nothing for years ;)