The wide performance gap between mobile and desktop GeForce 40 is a strong case for reintroducing the "M" suffix to Nvidia's lineup of mobile GeForce RTX GPUs. The current naming convention of the GPUs could certainly be improved to better reflect their performance differences.https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-mobile-GeForce-RTX-4080-is-35-percent-slower-than-the-desktop-RTX-4080-and-that-can-be-problematic-for-consumers.691712.0.html
If a consumer buys an expensive product without doing research and knowing it's performance then that's on him/her.
Who would have thought that laptop gpu is not going to keep up with a card that weighs like 2kg and can draw over 400w...
Oh dear god. How is it surprising when the laptop 4080 is in fact a 4070 Ti and has nothing to do with the desktop part 4080. Stop comparing apples to oranges. How does the 4080 laptop part compare to the 4070 Ti? It should be much closer.
Some countries have laws against misleading and deceptive conduct and misrepresentation... If a manufacturer specify that a desktop and a laptop both have RTX4080 inside and charge a similar price...the consumer could be mislead into believing that both will offer the same or similar performance. Not everyone is a research IT geek spending countless hours reading about tech development. Some people simply walk in store, look at a product and buy it because the salesman read out its powerful and can play all the latest games at highest settings...
Calling RTX 4000 Laptop instead RTX 4000M would be a small step in the right direction. Pricing the mobile chips at same speed desktop chips would be half of the big step. Pricing both desktop and mobile chipes without greed surcharge would be its other half.
Mobile Chip Speed Price Class
4090 Laptop 4080 Desktop 4090 Desktop
4080 Laptop 3080 10GB Desktop 4080 Desktop
4070 Laptop ? ?
This shows the intention of the reckless naming: to "justify" the new price class, which furthermore is exaggerated by Nvidia's desktop greed surcharges of currently ca. €450 plus OEMs', distributors' and retailers' additional greed surcharges of €0 ~ 600 depending on models and time.
The current names, RTX 4000 Laptop and - informally - RTX 4000 Desktop, are cumbersome. The variant RTX 4000 Mobile adds confusion. Many tech journalists and discussants are lazy and omit the suffix so that permanent interpretative guessing is needed about the intended meaning. RTX 4000M would be simple and informative.
This is nuts. Why media is so obsessed with this story. It's been 5 years and NVDIA has same policy. Spend 4k on a laptop and not do any research. The laptops say i7 or i9 so why not bitxh about different naming for cpu or se card reader. Jesus.
People are confused, and that's due to media and as well as lack of Consumer trade law enforcement. First, you can't use a generic benchmark or two to suggest when this unlawful practice started meant it was OK, it was not OK, only media thought so, + along with steeple they herded. There's never been a time selling something different and using the same name is acceptable though you could argue items like a car etc. (engine size, cylinders) BUT you had to knowingly go through a contract detailing that difference. How many gaming laptops you see provide TGP? very few and thats a driving force tell tale sign of expected performance. And, they will even implement different TGP between a regular model and a "thin" model, further confusing consumer, but why? If it's on the up and up why not give the few specs that "really" can show how different the product is. The obvious answer is it's being done to purposely deceive the consumer. The law does not say it's on the consumer to have common sense or the where with all to determine they are being duped. The people here suggesting this OK are the ones that might argue going 20 miles over posted Speed limit is OK cause everyone knows about and are doing it.
This is bordering fraud already because what they do is take the same chip, brand it with another name, cripple it by limiting TGP and sell it at higher prices.
The even worse thing is the AD103 and AD104 chips that fail to reach the full TGP performance required for desktop cards will be sold at premium (one class above) prices by slapping Laptop suffix to it.
Chip: AD102 > RTX 4090 450W TGP, no laptop equivalent
Chip: AD103 > RTX 4080 320W TGP, RTX 4090 Laptop capped at 150W TGP
Chip: AD104 > RTX 4070 TI 285W TGP, RTX 4080 Laptop capped at 150W TGP
Quote from: Mnu on March 29, 2023, 10:25:50This is bordering fraud already because what they do is take the same chip, brand it with another name, cripple it by limiting TGP and sell it at higher prices.
The even worse thing is the AD103 and AD104 chips that fail to reach the full TGP performance required for desktop cards will be sold at premium (one class above) prices by slapping Laptop suffix to it.
Chip: AD102 > RTX 4090 450W TGP, no laptop equivalent
Chip: AD103 > RTX 4080 320W TGP, RTX 4090 Laptop capped at 150W TGP
Chip: AD104 > RTX 4070 TI 285W TGP, RTX 4080 Laptop capped at 150W TGP
I forgot to add the price tags for the above post, to get the full picture of the scam
PriceTag > $1500+ > AD102 (RTX4090 450W TGP), AD103 (RTX4090 Laptop 150W TGP)
PriceTag > $1000+ > AD103 (RTX4080 320W TGP), AD104 (RTX4070 TI Laptop 150W TGP)
PriceTag > $700+ > AD104 (RTX4070 TI 285W TGP)
So an AD103 failed silicon that cannot reach max frequencies/performance at max TGP, will get a TGP cap, a Laptop suffix and will sell for $500 more than a good chip that ends in a Desktop card.
(Not saying that ALL Laptop AD103 and AD104 chips are failed desktop counterpart, just that they dont have to bin the failed chips, au contraire, they get sold at premium prices)
While your basic analysis is right, you exaggerate the rip-off on Nvidia's side for Laptop chips. The real rip-off for the RTX 4000 often comes from the AIBs.