Quote from: Neenyah on June 10, 2023, 16:31:05Sounds more like having troubles (or nerve damage) with inaccuracy to control your own fingers but ok.

I personally tested on a bet with owners of models without a numpad, who assured that they enter code and data, as well as perform group operations with files, quite quickly. They all lost the bet to me. Simply because instead of one click on a blind memory, they were forced to use combinations. Naturally, they still continued to use what they were used to, but the fact is that other pros wrote about it many times, including what was a tough reason for abandoning many models of 15.6-17 "laptops (for example, the XPS line ) because their keyboard is completely unsuitable for efficient work with code and data.

Try to convince at least one accountant or economist that the numpad is not needed.

Just the use of more complex key combinations a priori leads to problems with nerves in the hands.

Quote from: NikoB on June 10, 2023, 16:50:57I personally tested on a bet with owners of models without a numpad, who assured that they enter code and data, as well as perform group operations with files, quite quickly. They all lost the bet to me. Simply because instead of one click on a blind memory, they were forced to use combinations. Naturally, they still continued to use what they were used to, but the fact is that other pros wrote about it many times, including what was a tough reason for abandoning many models of 15.6-17 "laptops (for example, the XPS line ) because their keyboard is completely unsuitable for efficient work with code and data.

Ok, fair, and that is all good but...

Quote from: NikoB on June 10, 2023, 16:50:57Try to convince at least one accountant or economist that the numpad is not needed.

...try to convince at least one professional video editor or music producer that numpad is needed.

See, a professional tennis player doesn't claim that a professional basketball player need to have a racket (numpad) despite both of them playing sports (using computers).

I think when Framework announced their 16 inch model, they announced that their market research found a 50/50 split on the numpad: 50 % want/need it, 50 % do not want/need it.

If you do not work with a lot of numbers, the numpad potentially gets in your way, because it makes the keyboard off center, making typing less comfortable. That is the main reason why I personally don't want a numpad on my laptop. Bonus: A centered keyboard design is aesthetically more beautiful.

Quote from: Benjamin Herzig on June 10, 2023, 18:25:23If you do not work with a lot of numbers, the numpad potentially gets in your way, because it makes the keyboard off center, making typing less comfortable. That is the main reason why I personally don't want a numpad on my laptop. Bonus: A centered keyboard design is aesthetically more beautiful.

100% this for me too 👏 Also touchpad gets aligned to the left side do it's also less comfortable (and slower) to use than when it sits basically centered.

Quote from: Neenyah on June 10, 2023, 16:56:13try to convince at least one professional video editor or music producer that numpad is needed.

It seems to me that these people are less useful workers within civilization. Recently, Brad Pitt, in a lengthy dialogue at Babylon, tried to prove to the public that actors(the series can be continued - musicians, football players, etc.) are a useful part of society. At the end of the movie...

Quote from: Neenyah on June 10, 2023, 16:58:31See, a professional tennis player doesn't claim that a professional basketball player need to have a racket (numpad) despite both of them playing sports (using computers).

Of course this is true, but you need to take into account their market share and weight in society. ;)