A Motley of Colors. Once again, we find a MSI GE60 gaming notebook on our table with advanced hardware and an interesting design. A faster i7 processor and backlit keyboard make the laptop quite attractive at first glance, but can it deliver what it promises?
http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GE60-2PEi781B-Notebook-Review.117056.0.html
Come on guys, not the Furmark test again! You know it's not even close to a real world gaming test, therefore why even include it? As you can see it throttled like mad in that scenario, it would be far more enlightening if you monitored clock frequencies and temperatures when gaming or running Unigine Heaven Benchmark, which would provide more useful information about the capabilities & temperatures that this laptop will provide. (Apologies if you mentioned that the laptop didn't throttle during gaming as might have missed that, but the inclusion of Furmark results just grabs attention for the wrong reasons, and is a distraction at best).
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Quote from: Pfff! Furmark Again! on May 30, 2014, 10:03:36
Come on guys, not the Furmark test again! You know it's not even close to a real world gaming test, therefore why even include it? As you can see it throttled like mad in that scenario, it would be far more enlightening if you monitored clock frequencies and temperatures when gaming or running Unigine Heaven Benchmark, which would provide more useful information about the capabilities & temperatures that this laptop will provide. (Apologies if you mentioned that the laptop didn't throttle during gaming as might have missed that, but the inclusion of Furmark results just grabs attention for the wrong reasons, and is a distraction at best).
Why keep on ranting about that? Very often (too often me thinks sometimes) the authors mention the Furmark/Prime stress test is very unlikely to occur in everyday usage. However two things are obvious:
1. Applications will be more demanding in the future.
2. There are properly configured machines out there that pass the Furmark/Prime stress test.
By now my old machine is throttling like hell, because of demanding software. That wouldn't be so, if the cooling/Bios design was better from the start. Throttling is a sign for insufficient cooling, always. Not fair to blame something else, imho.
Thumbs up for your stress test guys. Glad you do it. Helps a lot.
Quote from: Furmark on May 30, 2014, 21:29:21
Quote from: Pfff! Furmark Again! on May 30, 2014, 10:03:36
Come on guys, not the Furmark test again! You know it's not even close to a real world gaming test, therefore why even include it? As you can see it throttled like mad in that scenario, it would be far more enlightening if you monitored clock frequencies and temperatures when gaming or running Unigine Heaven Benchmark, which would provide more useful information about the capabilities & temperatures that this laptop will provide. (Apologies if you mentioned that the laptop didn't throttle during gaming as might have missed that, but the inclusion of Furmark results just grabs attention for the wrong reasons, and is a distraction at best).
Why keep on ranting about that? Very often (too often me thinks sometimes) the authors mention the Furmark/Prime stress test is very unlikely to occur in everyday usage. However two things are obvious:
1. Applications will be more demanding in the future.
2. There are properly configured machines out there that pass the Furmark/Prime stress test.
By now my old machine is throttling like hell, because of demanding software. That wouldn't be so, if the cooling/Bios design was better from the start. Throttling is a sign for insufficient cooling, always. Not fair to blame something else, imho.
Thumbs up for your stress test guys. Glad you do it. Helps a lot.
That's not entirely true, it is known that NVidia (since the Fermi cards - since the 400 series) have artificially throttled their cards when Furmark is being detected as running. This is to protect the cards from the extreme electrical current demands that Furmark places on GPUs. So, it's not a true test of whether the cards will throttle or not, and it's not based on temperature (like you incorrectly mentioned) that these cards are throttling when running it. Yes, GPUs will throttle at certain temperatures, but that's not the reason for the Throttling in Furmark (like I explained). All this makes Furmark an invalid test. In my opinion no future software (that isn't a stress tester) will push GPUs as far as Furmark, so your point that future software will emulate the demands of Furmark is wrong in my assessment. I still think Furmark shouldn't be part of the testing regime - many other prominent review sites (such as Guru3D) have abandoned Furmark for these very reasons that I mention, reasons that prove that Furmark has no real value.
Where is the proof for your words?
Look at the screenshots: gpu-temp is 90°C and core clock is at 405MHz ... pretty obvious there's no sufficient cooling to maintain higher clock speeds.
Look at the stress test pictures here (http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Schenker-M504-Clevo-W650SJ-Notebook.114199.0.html) and you see the difference (ddr3 version, acknowledged).
Should I get MSI GE60 or Acer V15 Nitro? I would like to use the laptop mostly for gaming like Watch Dogs, Dota 2 but I'm so attracted to MSI multicolored keyboard.