In addition to a significantly shorter range per charge, the Supercharger experiment with the Tesla Model 3 Performance illustrates another weakness that EV drivers may have to deal with in super cold winter temperatures, although this particular scenario is quite unlikely to happen during regular usage.https://www.notebookcheck.net/YouTuber-attempts-to-fast-charge-his-Tesla-Model-3-Performance-during-winter-storm-at-14-F.677419.0.html
Stay away from electric cars.
for anyone who is ready for his car to break down in the middle of the road, of course, buy an electric car
From countries with a cold climate, electric cars will never be profitable for ordinary people who honestly work to earn a living.
Norway does not count - the population there simply lives on oil and gas rent. They essentially do not work productively, but are dependents.
I live in Finland and drive an EV. It is super profitable, was 5 times cheaper than gas but dropped to 3.5 times cheaper with more expensive electricity recently. Our gas price are ridiculous from added taxes, gas cars are never cheap, and they too eat more fuel in winter.
EV charges just fine overnight with a slow 1.5kW charger cable, and 2/3 of max range is enough for everyday commute. For long distance journeys one would obviously rent a gas car anyway.
In, in, a typical representative is the hope for rent and that electricity will not rise in price. )))
Quote from: NikoB on December 30, 2022, 13:35:58From countries with a cold climate, electric cars will never be profitable for ordinary people who honestly work to earn a living.
Norway does not count - the population there simply lives on oil and gas rent. They essentially do not work productively, but are dependents.
I am Norwegian and live in Norway. I also work 50-60 hours a week. Cost of living is high.
I own a Tesla Model 3 Performance. Winter is not an issue at all, neither is charging. The range is shorter if it's very cold. It wasn't an issue with my BMW i3 either.
Quote from: cingcong on December 30, 2022, 10:15:57for anyone who is ready for his car to break down in the middle of the road, of course, buy an electric car
Lol, literally every fossil feuled car I have owned has broken down in the middle of the road at some point.
I guess that makes me ready to try electric.
Wait, you're saying 90 minutes is "performed pretty well"? Definitely a bit of wishful thinking there. If I had to sit there for an hour and a half I'd be ready to give it away.
The test is unrealistic when it comes to superchargers on a trip. Any normal person puts in the destination and the Tesla preconditions the battery for fast charging by the time you reach the next supercharger.
No one cold soaks a Tesla at a supercharger under such conditions. Instead you leave it plugged into a destination charger overnight where the Tesla will maintain a more optimal set of conditions.
Very interesting observation with real world consequences if one decide to purchase an EV vs Petro. I'm convinced there is more work to be done in the area of battery technology beforehand. I'm convinced a straight up EV is a less productive vehicle all around in extremely cold weather terrain. Right now as a consumer; a hybrid EV is the future for individuals living in extremely cold weather climates. Brilliantly written article with researched based open air observations. Thank you for sharing.
The gasoline engine gives independence in movement from the authorities at a considerable distance from the starting point of movement. Especially with pre-made intentional stocks. Electric enslaves and limits as much as possible, therefore it is supported in every possible way by the authorities of most countries - it is beneficial for them. Therefore, they deliberately destroy more mobile and autonomous means of population movement.
Electric cars are just bringing the electronic global concentration camp closer. And the owners of electric vehicles have already experienced all this more than once in their own skin - they do not actually drive the car, but its manufacturer and beneficiaries who are at the helm of the company. And behind them and the authorities associated with them...
Da Fuq did you even just say??
Quote from: NikoB on January 02, 2023, 14:49:29The gasoline engine gives independence in movement from the authorities at a considerable distance from the starting point of movement. Especially with pre-made intentional stocks. Electric enslaves and limits as much as possible, therefore it is supported in every possible way by the authorities of most countries - it is beneficial for them. Therefore, they deliberately destroy more mobile and autonomous means of population movement.
Electric cars are just bringing the electronic global concentration camp closer. And the owners of electric vehicles have already experienced all this more than once in their own skin - they do not actually drive the car, but its manufacturer and beneficiaries who are at the helm of the company. And behind them and the authorities associated with them...
I just love to watch all these know it alls when it comes to battery powered vehicles. Batteries are for flashlights and dildos not real cars! The gasoline powered vehicle will never be replaced by a battery powered snow job. Global warming is a natural occurrence and not man made. Too many people buy into the fake news media. Suggestion, stop being brainwashed by fake news media! Stop watching it all together n you'll be just fine!
That kind of weather is hard on everything. It's been years since I've lived in a climate like that, but I remember losing 15-20% of my range on any gas car I drove. Some of them were fickle about starting at all. Winter sucks.
Lol, all you idiots whining about 'durr, see you shouldn't buy an electric vehicle."
Guess what? Maybe when looking to buy a car you should... I don't know... Look at your situation and see if it fits?
Live in a place it gets -50 every year? Maybe consider an ICE car if you don't want to deal with charging issues.
Need to haul a s*** ton of weight, drive a truck!
Need to regular commute and your location is viable to an electric car and you like paying pennies on the dollar for travel? Maybe consider an electric.
All you dumb, small-in-the-pants snowflakes who are intimidated by electricity or the thought of global warming, maybe you should stick to your big trucks so that you can pretend you are a big manly man.
Quote from: Lol on January 02, 2023, 23:52:41Lol, all you idiots whining about 'durr, see you shouldn't buy an electric vehicle."
Guess what? Maybe when looking to buy a car you should... I don't know... Look at your situation and see if it fits?
Live in a place it gets -50 every year? Maybe consider an ICE car if you don't want to deal with charging issues.
Need to haul a s*** ton of weight, drive a truck!
Need to regular commute and your location is viable to an electric car and you like paying pennies on the dollar for travel? Maybe consider an electric.
All you dumb, small-in-the-pants snowflakes who are intimidated by electricity or the thought of global warming, maybe you should stick to your big trucks so that you can pretend you are a big manly man.
I know you're trying to be a jerk, but it sounds good to me.
EV's are for rich folk, apparently with large penises, so I'll just keep doing what I do with fossil fuels.
Electricity will soon rise in price in the US by 10 times. Relative to median income.
Who wants to argue with me? =)
Well to the idiot that said that gasoline engine would be better for running from the authorities well you're a f****** idiot because the EVS can do that too did you not know like some of the fastest Grand Prix your car is right now or all electric duh they have electric supercars idiot
at first at least understand what is written there. On an internal combustion engine, you can go 1000 km, and with additional canisters for 2000, with almost instant refueling. You won't get far with an electric car. What the authorities of all authoritarian countries really need. To narrow the zone of mobility of bonded serfs as much as possible.
Ev cars will go out of style just like 3d glasses we used to have in theaters. There is nothing new about evs the technology has been around for a long time. They are not the solution to our problem.
engadget.com/south-korea-tesla-fine-ev-range-disclosure-cold-weather-153655339.html?src=rss
QuoteThe Korea Fair Trade Commission (KFTC) said that Tesla EV ranges drop by up to 50.5 percent in cold weather, compared with the ranges that the company stated online.
That's all the unfortunate victims of marketing and buyers of this junk need to know.
In other words, Kyle did what Kyle does. He showed where the deficiencies are because he can see what the lowest comment denominator of humanity will do.
His many, many other videos show that you can indeed use an EV in the middle of winter at insanely low temperature if you don't deep freeze it (leave it outside, far below frozen).
I also noticed nobody's mentioned the fact that an ICE car will also have problems very similar at the same temperatures.
How does one own such an expensive car but doesn't have a garage? If I'm gonna have an expensive car like that and I'm going to have shelter for it, I mean at least a good car cover to help protect it from the weather elements.
Quote from: ThomasB on January 05, 2023, 15:13:27In other words, Kyle did what Kyle does. He showed where the deficiencies are because he can see what the lowest comment denominator of humanity will do.
His many, many other videos show that you can indeed use an EV in the middle of winter at insanely low temperature if you don't deep freeze it (leave it outside, far below frozen).
I also noticed nobody's mentioned the fact that an ICE car will also have problems very similar at the same temperatures.
Not only that but one of my co workers said their truck could not even start due to the temperatures. They had to push it into a garage for it to thaw out. He said he will be installing a block heater for next time. So unless your car or truck has a block heater you may not even get your car started. At least the Tesla has a way to generate heat to warm the battery up. My only complaint is that it would have been more accurate if he had run the heat system because no one would have all that turned off in -14 degree weather.
Quote from: Weston on January 05, 2023, 17:15:28How does one own such an expensive car but doesn't have a garage?
I am laughing out loud. After all, we are just being assured that they will BE CHEAPER in order to become popular with the masses. Good morning Weston! ))
The funny thing is that you can safely leave an ordinary gasoline or diesel car in the cold at -20-25C for a whole month and nothing will happen to it. The electric car, as soon as the battery heated by itself is quickly discharged, will simply die. Will have to change the battery.
For example, you ended up in a hospital, but there are no relatives and no one will take care of your car. And a bunch of similar situations.
I have no intentions of an EV . Never get the fossil fuels engens . To much rely on that type of movement! Everyone would have move closer to the made location. Then it would be a consintrtiom camp . Then no need for the transportation from a to b ! You had to leave your ev at last shack . No roads just sidewalks !so if you are a free spirit ,live off grid in the deselite wasteland . And enjoy no neighbors. That's where I would be. Fishing , hunting and a big garden ! But then you would have to run you cabbage powered diesel engine to run gen ! For utilities. Hopefully you have a long straw for water from the well . Wouldn't work . If sucked it up till you had to stop . Keep your lips away from straw as the water collapsed back to bottom of well . You would get sucked down the straw ! Now that would be a trip . Or you could move to a part of country with high humidity to make your water . Lol , think I'll stop now . Strating to get bummed out ! Crap , now I'll never be the same again. Fizzle. Happy new year LMMO
Really, the Russian trolls need to work on their English. Maybe new employees start in fossil fuel influence campaigns until their English is good enough for the big leagues, politics.
It doesn't matter where he writes from, man. Truly educated and broad-minded people make up less than 1% of the world's population. Which proves the stupidity of mass comments. How does the majority of the population get a certificate of capacity after school, if the majority is in fact incompetent? =)
Well, this is yet another example as to why EV's won't work. Having to sit in the freezing cold and potentially dying doesn't seem as nice as this guy wants you to think it is. Hybrids-I don't have a problem with, but for all of those people out there that think the EV is the only way to go, sorry but you are dumb. Tesla cars look great, but if you need to charge them for hours on end, ie in this instance, if you have a truck at a campground, driving across the country, etc... the answer is NO.
Damn. I see more comments on this than any report from CES xD
Quote from: cingcong on December 30, 2022, 10:15:57for anyone who is ready for his car to break down in the middle of the road, of course, buy an electric car
yet I have not seen a single one ever on the side of the road broken down.