Apple MacBook Pro 16 2023 M3 Max Review - M3 Max challenges HX-CPUs from AMD & Intel

[Chuck007]

Oh boy those pixel response times are downright dreadful!

Guess I'd have to wait until MBP comes with OLED screens before I can take the plunge. 

[A]

Apple M3 Max is clearly beaten. Zen 4 is more efficient, too

Idk, inconclusive. Different tests show different outcomes. Cinebench is more of a very synthetic test, doing only one (and non real-world) task. Also it's using (ahem ahem cheater :D ) more advanced SIMD instruction sets on x64 that are not present on ARM.

I'd say they all are on par. As for energy efficiency, I'd look at battery life, because in the end it's the only number that actually matters for laptop. CPUs very rarely get to 100% CPU load in real use, most of the time you will be around 3-10%.

[Neenyah]

Troll, I have already written many times that I have other laptops, much newer. I'm just happy with this PC more than for my entertainment purposes - I watch movies from it on a projector in the evenings and sometimes I also listen to music through an external DAC connected via optics. It has long been taken out of working use, although Windows 7 Pro still works great on it, and I have no desire to install W10. There are work laptops for this.

You are so pathetic in your attempts to attack me that you constantly look like a holy fool. Your experience is simply nothing compared to mine. And not only in IT.

https://floridabhcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Pages-2019-Psychotherapeutic-Medication-Guidelines-for-Adults_Schizophrenia_06-04-20.pdf

[Neenyah]

Cinebench is more of a very synthetic test, doing only one (and non real-world) task. Also it's using (ahem ahem cheater :D ) more advanced SIMD instruction sets on x64 that are not present on ARM.

Cinebench is very real-world, as real as it gets, but it is not a general purpose benchmark yet people and reviewers keep using it for exactly that while there are much better options.

The whole idea behind Cinebench is to use it to evaluate how well will Maxon's apps and software run on one's PC, literally nothing more than that and I can assure you that Maxon's team probably couldn't care less if their super-optimized professional-grade 3D rendering engine (Redshift now in Cinebench 2024) exercises all CPU elements fairly for general everyday computing tasks and usage or for gaming.

One weaker CPU can get much better score than another much stronger CPU there and what does that mean? Only that one CPU will almost certainly be better suited to run Maxon's apps ( https://www.maxon.net/en/ ). If one has no plans to ever touch Cinema 4D or ZBrush or anything else made by Maxon then there really is no reason to run Cinebench at all.

[A]

The whole idea behind Cinebench is to use it to evaluate how well will Maxon's apps and software run on one's PC,

More like "how well would Maxon apps work on this CPU if you didn't have GPU". Looks quite far from real world to me. We can meet in the middle and make it "Cinebench represents a very niche software problem". )

Cinebench has its internal structure optimized for x86 SIMD instructions and is heavily optimized for x86 SIMD instructions. Only at around June 2022 Embree lib (ray tracing lib used in Cinebench, developed by _Intel_) added several optimizations for Neon (M SoC SIMD instruction set), and that alone increased M SoCs Cinebench score by 8%. And it's still far from being optimal. And actually no idea if that version is already used in latest Cinebench.

So Cinebench score is mostly a question of optimization. And funny thing is, Redshift is seemingly considered to be more stable on M macs by users. )

[Neenyah]

No, no, you are correct A, I'm not stating the opposite, just that Cinebench as a benchmark has its own extremely useful purpose which is not to be a general-purpose benchmark, that's all.

[Neenyah]

Wow... https://imgur.com/Czsm8an 😨

So this well-known issue of worn out keys is there after 3-4 days on a brand new device!! Unreal. From The Tech Chap's review, 3:35 in the vid: https://youtu.be/P0sVCUWJ6VU?t=215



I wrote about that a couple of times:

Also good luck with this and their keyboards, lol:

• https://medium.com/macoclock/what-i-hate-about-my-macbook-pro-after-a-year-2f4da6cc15a4
• https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253705285
• https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254925851
• https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252263446
• https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/hoxdjp/macbook_pro_16_keys_wearing_smooth_ive_had_this/?rdt=34335
• https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/comments/upq8fe/does_the_m1_macbook_keyboard_really_get_shiny/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/qscfg7/why_thats_happening_for_my_6_months_mac_space_bar/

I can keep posting hundreds more identical issues from 2020 onwards, because Apple is cheapening out by intentionally using the lowest quality possible ABS plastic for their keyboards so they turn to that glossy ugly mess after weeks of usage. Cheapest Acers on the market wont get shiny keys THAT fast.

[A]

So this well-known issue of worn out keys is there after 3-4 days on a brand new device!! Unreal.

These don't look  worn out, more like it's grease from fingers. And it's really unrealistic to achieve in couple days unless you do it for lulz. ) Just clean those with wet wipes and you'll be fine.

Though matte finish really can physically wear and become glossy or semi-glossy in a year or two. But those key caps are so easily replaceable _without_ disassembling your macbook, that in reality no one cares.

P.S. It was especially bad in 2020-2021, when everyone was using sanitizer 24/7. Plastics, finishes and rubbers don't like it. I think people were destroying literally everything at the time, from Logitech mice rubber finishes to Samsung phone cases, just with their hands.

[Neenyah]

These don't look  worn out, more like it's grease from fingers. And it's really unrealistic to achieve in couple days unless you do it for lulz. ) Just clean those with wet wipes and you'll be fine.

He said in the vid that he tried to clean it but no success and his hands were clean. I'll check other reviewers later today, currently busy with CS2 for a next few hours.

Though matte finish really can physically wear and become glossy or semi-glossy in a year or two. But those key caps are so easily replaceable _without_ disassembling your macbook, that in reality no one cares.

After a few days or weeks 😐 As mostly reported on all those links above from MacBook Pro/Air owners plus many other sources well documented. Vid for more info about it:
"Shiny MacBook Keys?" https://youtu.be/yDccCQEYWSQ

My M1 Air was also like that but much later as it wasn't my main device so I used it for about 1 hour per day at most (sold it to buy an RTX 3070 Ti and new CPU for my desktop).

Luckily it wasn't anywhere near this: https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/comments/uw1mfn/m1_pro_unsightly_keypad_wear_after_only_7_months/

P.S. It was especially bad in 2020-2021, when everyone was using sanitizer 24/7. Plastics, finishes and rubbers don't like it. I think people were destroying literally everything at the time, from Logitech mice rubber finishes to Samsung phone cases, just with their hands.

That is true yeah, some people used even those acids for cleaning stuff around home to clean their screens to permanently destroy them, lol 🙄

[A]

He said in the vid that he tried to clean it but no success and his hands were clean.

Ah, I watched without sound. Well, I still really don't think one can do this in several days. But over time keys will get polished and become glossy, that's a fact.

Meh, I'll just replace mine when they do. Kits are cheap, replacement is 5 mins.

[NikoB]

The PROOF from China official site of Lenovo:
mitem.lenovo.com.cn/product/1030510.html
~1260$
And that config much faster(from PSU) then M3 Max Macbook 16 Pro 2023...=)

[A]

The PROOF from China official site of Lenovo:
mitem.lenovo.com.cn/product/1030510.html
~1260$
And that config much faster(from PSU) then M3 Max Macbook 16 Pro 2023...=)

Yeah you were so nervous we will notice you lied again that you've even posted it to wrong thread, loser.

[A]

And that config much faster(from PSU) then M3 Max Macbook 16 Pro 2023...=)

You've made like 6 typos in the word "slower".

[NikoB]

Our dear clown A, I can buy it, this particular config in the local marketplace with a 1-year warranty for $1300 including shipping costs.

DDR5 2x32GB 5600 (it will easily work like a 5200) costs $210 at my local store with a 10 year warranty.

SSD drives for every taste with a 5-year warranty. So it all depends on your desires - 2-4GB without problems up to $300.

Yes, unfortunately, you can't install 128-256GB on Zen4, only on Zen4 Phoenix, but I think this is not a super problem, considering that your beautiful M3 Max with 128GB on board costs more than $9,000.

1300+210+450-500$ (2x4Tb SSD with 5 year warranty) - 2000$,

So for $9000 you can easily buy fully packaged 4 pieces of L5Pro with 7945HX+4060+64GB/8TB.

Q.E.D.

Turn off the bot and don't embarrass yourself anymore. If you were hoping to get money from Apple, then there will be no bonus for November.

[A]

Our dear clown A, I can buy it, this particular config in the local marketplace with a 1-year warranty for $1300 including shipping costs.

Bs

DDR5 2x32GB 5600 (it will easily work like a 5200) costs $210 at my local store with a 10 year warranty.

+$210

SSD drives for every taste with a 5-year warranty. So it all depends on your desires - 2-4GB without problems up to $300.

+$300

Still $1200, clown?

1300+210+450-500$ (2x4Tb SSD with 5 year warranty) - 2000$,

So yeah, $1200 was bs.

So for $9000 you can easily buy fully packaged 4 pieces of L5Pro with 7945HX+4060+64GB/8TB.

Why do you even need 4 bad laptops.

What an embarassment you are.