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Title: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: Redaktion on February 19, 2020, 20:24:19
The MSI Prestige 14 is a small powerhouse with a design and equipment that are convincing. We also like the keyboard with its normal-sized arrow keys very much. Our detailed review clarifies how the 14-inch laptop performs for creatives.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Prestige-14-A10SC-009-laptop-review-Comet-Lake-for-content-creators.454091.0.html
Title: Re: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: william blake on February 20, 2020, 00:47:10
67w peak only. but just one cooler and thus more noise than the competitors.
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dear notebookchek, i see 795 cinebench on the graph. and then 1100 cinebench on the next graph. again. what the hell is wrong with it? 
Title: Re: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: _MT_ on February 20, 2020, 14:23:54
Quote from: william blake on February 20, 2020, 00:47:10
67w peak only. but just one cooler and thus more noise than the competitors.
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dear notebookchek, i see 795 cinebench on the graph. and then 1100 cinebench on the next graph. again. what the hell is wrong with it? 
1100 is a single (first) run score, 795 is an average from repeated runs (continuous load test). The bar graphs always feature single run scores.

It's a question whether it's better to have a single, larger fan or two, smaller ones. Speaking in general.
Title: Re: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: weeeeeeeee on February 20, 2020, 14:48:05
There was a PCworld test, saying that when you stress the CPU and GPU at the same time, then the performance setting actually performs worse than the balanced power option.  Could you please do the continuous run of Cinebench again with the balanced power to see if there is any difference in throttling?  I'm also curious what undervolting will do.
pcworld.com/article/3526491/msi-prestige-14-review.html?page=2
Title: Re: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: william blake on February 20, 2020, 16:04:13
Quote from: _MT_ on February 20, 2020, 14:23:54
1100 is a single (first) run score, 795 is an average from repeated runs (continuous load test). The bar graphs always feature single run scores.
question remain the same. who the hell cares about single run for the rendering work.
QuoteIt's a question whether it's better to have a single, larger fan or two, smaller ones. Speaking in general.
two larger is the winner i guess. but i checked a couple other models, they are quieter and with 2 fans.
Title: Re: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: weeeeeeeee on February 20, 2020, 16:28:17
How is continuous Photoshop or Lightroom batch processing compared to Cinebench results?  I'm interested in whether Prestige 14 or Razer Blade Stealth 13 would perform better.  The notebookcheck Cinebench results show the Prestige 14 performing much better than the Razer.  But the Jarrod'sTech review shows the Razer performing much better with Premiere Pro video exporting.  How much of a difference between CPU and GPU acceleration usage is there between Premiere, Photoshop/Lightroom, and Cinebench? Also surprisingly, his test also shows extremely poor FPS results with the Prestige 14.
youtube.com/watch?v=E3Q-UyjTgVY&t=603

Although his Cinebench R20 does confirm that the Prestige 14 performs better with it than the Razer.
youtube.com/watch?v=E3Q-UyjTgVY&t=582
youtube.com/watch?v=_4WQ3_lCghA&t=429
Title: Re: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: william blake on February 20, 2020, 17:41:41
Quote from: weeeeeeeee on February 20, 2020, 16:28:17
How is continuous Photoshop or Lightroom batch processing compared to Cinebench results?  I'm interested in whether Prestige 14 or Razer Blade Stealth 13 would perform better.  The notebookcheck Cinebench results show the Prestige 14 performing much better than the Razer.  But the Jarrod'sTech review shows the Razer performing much better with Premiere Pro video exporting.  How much of a difference between CPU and GPU acceleration usage is there between Premiere, Photoshop/Lightroom, and Cinebench? Also surprisingly, his test also shows extremely poor FPS results with the Prestige 14.
youtube.com/watch?v=E3Q-UyjTgVY&t=603
Although his Cinebench R20 does confirm that the Prestige 14 performs better with it than the Razer.
youtube.com/watch?v=E3Q-UyjTgVY&t=582
youtube.com/watch?v=_4WQ3_lCghA&t=429
very good question.
as far as i see, these tests are highly unprofessional. every tester should have a solid and clear methodology, not just "wow i did this and slower cpu/gpu is, in fact,  faster, what a surprize for me!"
he should be able to explain every number.
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im far from a pro but what i do know
-rendering- cpu only
-export, editing, filters-cpu+gpu simultaneously, but be sure about proper settings.
-encoding-cpu or gpu separately
still very confusing to me because nobody has a clear answer
Title: Re: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: _MT_ on February 21, 2020, 10:45:30
Quote from: weeeeeeeee on February 20, 2020, 16:28:17
I'm interested in whether Prestige 14 or Razer Blade Stealth 13 would perform better.  The notebookcheck Cinebench results show the Prestige 14 performing much better than the Razer.  But the Jarrod'sTech review shows the Razer performing much better with Premiere Pro video exporting.
Razer has a 4 core processor which is reportedly limited to 15 W in the version with dedicated GPU (25 W otherwise). So, it's not surprising it performs rather poorly even for a 4 core processor. Cinebench is a CPU workload that works well in parallel. The version without dGPU should perform much better and should be able to close the gap significantly (given the poor results of the Prestige 14).
Title: Re: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: Joel Kleppinger on February 22, 2020, 00:12:42
Does anyone have brightness measurements of the 1080p screen?
Title: Re: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: Kookie on February 22, 2020, 23:08:01
Have this laptop. The cinebench R15 results in this review are aberrant, and suggest that the laptop was reviewed in "Comfort Mode" rather than high performance/Sport Mode.

The high performance mode sets PL1 to 35W, which the laptop should handle OOTB, and allows for sustained R15 scores of roughly 900-950 (35W is tight, repaste is a good idea. Also you can bypass PL1 in BIOS (Google GS65 IMON Slope), so with e.g LM you can get it sustaining 1150-1200 quite easily).

However, it's important to note that high performance profile can push the CPU+GPU too hard, resulting in GPU thermal throttling. Therefore gaming etc may be best done in the "Balanced" profile (or Comfort Mode) to avoid this (or you can use Conductonaut and glue in another heatpipe).
Title: Re: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: Denis on July 29, 2020, 17:09:11
This seems to be an interesting product, I mean the size and weight is impressive, thunderbolt 3 x2, i7-10710U cpu, GTX 1650 MaxQ gpu and so is the heat management with a single fan. I simply prefer the 15.6" format, in my case, just too many sacrifices when you go below this size, soldered 16GB ram, single M.2 slot, usb 2.0 x2, 52w battery that translates in a poor autonomy. I am also distraught with so many manufacturers installing poor performing 4K screens on so many laptops these days, I wouldn't even consider casual gaming with this one. If you're willing to accept the numerous sacrifices about this laptop, good for you, but I simply cannot.
Title: Re: MSI Prestige 14 A10SC-009 laptop review: Comet Lake for content creators
Post by: Jim Brown on September 06, 2021, 14:14:12
What is the part number for the 4K LCD panel? It usually says it in the article but is missing here