While the GS65 had some difficulties against the competitors in many regards, MSI presents a completely updated successor with the GS66. Find out in our detailed review what has changed for the better.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GS66-Stealth-10SFS-Laptop-Review-Visually-subdued-acoustically-conspicuous.463461.0.html
They should put the stronger 35w 4900HS in there and drop the price by 200US. Then they can have my money.
This Intel 10th gen is way too hot, AMD 4900HS + 2070 super maxq would be much better, faster cooler and cheaper.. but unfortunately nvidia will not authorize 2070/2080 with amd cpu anytime soon. Why? Intel might have power to push Nvidia to delay as long as the new GPU arrive so AMD is always behind, the only solution would be releasing an AMD gpu which could beat 2080 super for half price....
On the one hand literally every big YT channel or site explained this in great detail: AMD is hard to sell, AMD has bad history, AMD need to prove its value to OEM manufacturers etc....
On the other hand this CPU performance is total meh
QuoteFrom the theoretically possible 5.3 GHz, only 4.3 to 4.9 GHz remain during single-core load. When all the cores are loaded, the clock speed drops to 3.6 - 3.9 GHz
I feel the review docked quite a few points from the i9 processor. If the review unit was the 6 core i7 then the score would probably be higher (less fan noise, lower temp, better battery life etc). The i7 model is also much more reasonably priced. I just preordered one in Canada with 10750H all other specs identical to the review unit and it's 2900 CAD (~1835 euro or 2000 usd)
Quote from: 5600xtmaster on May 02, 2020, 23:54:06AMD is hard to sell, AMD has bad history, AMD need to prove its value to OEM manufacturers etc....
They got to start from somewhere and prove they're worthy of the best laptop configurations out there. I do hope 2020 is the year AMD starts to get some grip in the laptop arena, to prove people they can deliver more than Intel. And probably we'll see in 2021 some of the higher end configurations powered by AMD. My only hope is that vendors won't get intimidated by Intel and get stuck in some really bad contracts which will force consumers use their cpu's.
As much as I used Intel (and still use Intel), I cannot deny the benefits AMD showed with this new Gen of CPUs. That's really awesome and good for the industry. Enough of having Intel mocking consumers with revamped CPUs and security issues.
Imagine putting your whole life and soul to create the "perfect" gaming laptop only to get an 83% overall review. What a waste of effort.
These processors aren't simply worth the price they're asking. And MSI still can't build a laptop with sensible fan noise. 83% might even be too generous when manufacturers don't even get the basics right after decades of experience.
Quote from: G R on May 02, 2020, 22:32:31
This Intel 10th gen is way too hot, AMD 4900HS + 2070 super maxq would be much better, faster cooler and cheaper.. but unfortunately nvidia will not authorize 2070/2080 with amd cpu anytime soon. Why? Intel might have power to push Nvidia to delay as long as the new GPU arrive so AMD is always behind, the only solution would be releasing an AMD gpu which could beat 2080 super for half price....
my point of view
1. all 8-core renoirs are all the same
2. 150w 2080 is too power hungry for for the "slim& light gaming" trend, max-q 80w versions or 2080 and 2070 are not too far from 2060 80w.
3. so, the best combo for the "slim& light gaming" is
8-core renoir+2060 for more working-gaming or 6 core renoir+2060 for pure gaming.
4. intel cpus are useless simply because they steals power/cooling/noise limit from the gpu
5. better than 2060 is a price premium. a bunch of money for a little more fps.
Quote from: 5600xtmaster on May 02, 2020, 23:54:06
On the other hand this CPU performance is total meh
Since when is 1500+ sustained in Cinebench meh performance? That's pretty good even against Renoir. It's certainly not record breaking but raw performance isn't the problem of this processor or laptop. It's the power draw and resulting heat. That's where AMD kicks a**. It's really incredible what the 15 W Renoirs can do.
It's kind of funny when the article criticizes the drop and the chart shows that the 9750H laptops (laptops they chose to compare against) have very similar drop and that the 10980HK offers about 50 % more. 50 % more with just two extra cores, in a heat constrained scenario. Yes, the x750H makes sense in the Intel's stable. It's the reasonable choice. And yes, some OEMs are greedy when it comes to pricing (it's crazy when Apple is on the cheap side). So yes, the value can be questionable (even when you put AMD aside). But not necessarily because of Intel. OEMs have a lot to do with it.
Quote from: william blake on May 03, 2020, 13:11:23
1. all 8-core renoirs are all the same
Really? I though not all of them have SMT. Which can make a significant difference, depending on workload.
Quote from: _MT_ on May 03, 2020, 16:33:43
Since when is 1500+ sustained in Cinebench meh performance?
you say exactly what he said-considering the price and power consumption, 1500 is meh.
Quote from: _MT_ on May 03, 2020, 16:41:11
Really? I though not all of them have SMT. Which can make a significant difference, depending on workload.
we are talking about gaming/working laptops.
the difference between 4800h/4800hs/4900h/4900hs is not as significant that someone could say-give me this instead of that.
..
4700u~4600u
https://www.ultrabookreview.com/37680-asus-zenbook-14-ux434flc-um433iq/
look at this guys.
exactly how amd vs intel should look like.
the reviewer is too shy tho to told us the truth-amd product is a full tier faster.
Now imagine this thing with a 4900HS or something...
Quote from: william blake on May 03, 2020, 16:49:32
we are talking about gaming/working laptops.
Surely, some will come with U series chips. For example, Lenovo uses 15 W chips in their T series and derived P series.
I find it weird that you refer to the GS65 multiple times in the article, but do not include it in the list of competition tables. You should definitely add that.
Kudos to MSI to put in 99.99Wh of a battery, that is the maximum allowed on a flight now!!
Seeing the temperature and noise levels, as well as the slightly disappointing battery times, I am curious to see the i7 version tested. I have a feeling that one would get higher than this mediocre (for this price level) 83%.
This thing would probably be fine with a 9750h, but notably with a renoir chip it would be great. 50w of thermal headroom is pretty good, despite you saying that "90C is a sign of the processor being too much for the chassis" (not verbatim). if it was 90C at like 45w then maybe i'd agree but it's a fair bit above tdp lol
Test this one:
Zephyrus GA502IU-XS74
I'm curious to see how it compares with the 4800HS and a 1660 Ti at the same weight and half the price. I'd bet it is a lot cooler and quieter, and won't throttle the graphics card.
I hope MSI will put out something with similar specs.
Notebookcheck please add the G14 in the comparison charts, people need to see how much the 4900HS kicks the 10980HK's butt,
4900HS Cinebench Peak 1850, Sustained 1630
10980HK Cinebench Peak 1630, Sustained 1520
When the Competition's tiny 14" laptop cpu has SUSTAINED perofrmance that is same as your best PEAK performance, you know Intel, you're knocked out!
Aaron - You are right but unfortunately we wont see any top tier laptop with 4900HS. Asus G14/G15 laptops are not good ones, other than CPU nothing special in it, if you buy laptop this year must be with intel chip, doesnt matter how hot and expensive it is...
imo, msi-s are overpriced and lenovo-s are simply better choice. waiting for the new series!
Hey all
I'm looking at buying a MSI GS66 laptop but I have some concerns:
I have a Samsung LC49RG90 with a resolution of 5120x1440, 120hz and Freesync 2.
The screen doesn't have Thunderbolt so I can only use Displayport 1.4 to use all of these maximum settings.
Now, I know that the GS66 has a Displayport in the USB-C port and the GS66 monitor doesn't support G-Sync.
But as Nvidia cards now can use Freesync as well, will the G-Sync option work for external monitors?
And is this Displayport the 1.4 version? Because the B&H website says it is 1.2 and I think that would not be enough to push this resolution at 120hz.
Hope you can help me out with some correct information :)
Greetings
Jasper
I think the reviewer when looking at the heat output overlooked the fact that the CPU's TDP is well above spec. The i9-10980HK in this GS66 has actually been TDP upped to 65 watts(Intel's recommended value is 45 watts). This is why it's so hot. If you dropped PL1 down to 45W the temperatures are perfectly reasonable. Furthermore, the GS series also have cooler boost to ramp up fans to handle the higher thermal output for the higher TDP. Still not necessarily enough for the laptop at stock(see jarrodtech's benchmarks) but after repasting and undervolting you can hit 4.3 ghz all core boost.
This looks like a great product, but I think it's a slight mismatch of cpu/gpu, I'm sure that the thermals would be much more reasonable if this gpu was paired with a i7-10750H, not only that, but much easier on the wallet than the overpriced i9. Screen wize I think 144hz is awesome, 240hz could be future proof, but 300hz, I think is just an excessive splurge, to say the least. I must say that I was pleasantly surprised when MSI went with the 82wh battery, but now with the 99.99wh battery, my jaw just dropped, they sure are going in a direction I like a lot.
The display response time result does not make sense.
If it is really using the same panel as Razer Blade 15 (AUO B156HAN12.0)
how come the Grey to Grey response time 4x higher?
As usual sound quality takes a backseat on MSI laptops. I have a GP65 with very tinny sound. No more MSI laptops for me!